Iphone 4S not what people wants

[Mopetar]

It smoked a 6 month old phone. It should be faster, its newer and an inch smaller on the screen.

Not really. First, the physical size of the screen doesn't matter. It's based on the resolution, so if anything the iPhone would be at a disadvantage. Second, that's not even the case since the test is based on an off-screen render mode where everything is run against 720p so it's a fair comparison between the two SoCs.

 

[cheezy321]

It smoked a 6 month old phone. It should be faster, its newer and an inch smaller on the screen.

The A5 processor is over 6 months old.

 

[badb0y]

It smoked a 6 month old phone. It should be faster, its newer and an inch smaller on the screen.

You must be joking about this...

 

[basslover1]

BTW, how's everyone's iPhone 4S preorders? Mine is in Louisville now.

Is UPS really holding off til Friday? I remember my iPad went from HK => Anchorage (morning), got to Louisville by night, got back to Oakland, CA by the next morning, was trucked down to Sunnyvale and was out delivery. I'm hoping I can get mine early. Even though I won't be home on Thursday, at least I'll have the slip to pickup on Friday morning from UPS instead of waiting til 7pm. I waited til 7:30pm on Friday for my Touchpad to land.

When I pre-ordered my 3GS I ended up getting the Saturday following launch day. FedEx said I wouldn't see it until Monday, so it showed up one day after launch but one day (business day) earlier than expected.

I'm under the impression that they'll hold on to it until Friday.

 

[bearxor]

The SGS2 has been on the market for quite a while now so it's hardly surprising the iPhone 4s managed to beat it.

Well, the problem with Android in the US is that the carriers are still able to somehow force the old model down their throats. The SGS2 might be 6 months old, but in the US, it's brand spankin' new. And why is each carriers different? What's the point in unifying your branding if you're essentially forced to make three different phones?

Apple seems to be the only cell phone manufacturer that is able to dictate their terms to the carriers.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Well, the problem with Android in the US is that the carriers are still able to somehow force the old model down their throats. The SGS2 might be 6 months old, but in the US, it's brand spankin' new. And why is each carriers different? What's the point in unifying your branding if you're essentially forced to make three different phones?

Apple seems to be the only cell phone manufacturer that is able to dictate their terms to the carriers.

This was my main gripe. Look at the CM7 list. Half of the stupid names of phones you see on their are US-only models. The SGS1 was the Galaxy S i9000 worldwide, but in the US, you had: Captivate, Fascinate, Vibrant, Mesmerize, Epic 4G. What the fuck?

Even in the US, notice the unlocked iPhone 4S. You can't use it on any other carrier other than AT&T and possibly T-Mo. VZW and Sprint won't let you activate it. And similarly you can't buy the VZW or Sprint one and use it on the AT&T network I'm betting. These carriers need to STFU. We're already being chained by a 2 year contract, but phones should be unlocked.

 

[Anubis]

This was my main gripe. Look at the CM7 list. Half of the stupid names of phones you see on their are US-only models. The SGS1 was the Galaxy S i9000 worldwide, but in the US, you had: Captivate, Fascinate, Vibrant, Mesmerize, Epic 4G. What the fuck?

Even in the US, notice the unlocked iPhone 4S. You can't use it on any other carrier other than AT&T and possibly T-Mo. VZW and Sprint won't let you activate it. And similarly you can't buy the VZW or Sprint one and use it on the AT&T network I'm betting. These carriers need to STFU. We're already being chained by a 2 year contract, but phones should be unlocked.

im not sure anyone would argue against what you just said.

sadly it will most likely never happen because carriers don't want to just be dumb pipes like they should.

 

[Aikouka]

Naturally no one will care about performance when Kal El phones and tablets are blowing away the 4s six months from now.

The problem is that when people talk about upcoming SoCs, they never talk about what's upcoming from Apple. There's a good reason for that too... because Apple never talks about their upcoming SoCs!

The reason why I mention that is six months puts you around the time when the next iPad will most likely be coming out. The thing is... no one knows what will be in it.

 

[Mopetar]

Even in the US, notice the unlocked iPhone 4S. You can't use it on any other carrier other than AT&T and possibly T-Mo. VZW and Sprint won't let you activate it. And similarly you can't buy the VZW or Sprint one and use it on the AT&T network I'm betting. These carriers need to STFU. We're already being chained by a 2 year contract, but phones should be unlocked.

Since there's only one model of phone now, you should be able to use any of them on the GSM networks as you'd just pop your SIM card in and go.

 

[alent1234]

This was my main gripe. Look at the CM7 list. Half of the stupid names of phones you see on their are US-only models. The SGS1 was the Galaxy S i9000 worldwide, but in the US, you had: Captivate, Fascinate, Vibrant, Mesmerize, Epic 4G. What the fuck?

Even in the US, notice the unlocked iPhone 4S. You can't use it on any other carrier other than AT&T and possibly T-Mo. VZW and Sprint won't let you activate it. And similarly you can't buy the VZW or Sprint one and use it on the AT&T network I'm betting. These carriers need to STFU. We're already being chained by a 2 year contract, but phones should be unlocked.

If the carriers didn't subsidize phones in the us no one spend $700 on a phone. Unlike Europe we dont live with parents until people are 40. Last decade the average home buying age dropped into the 20's

 

[jpeyton]

Samsung DID know what the performance of the iP4's successor would be like. The iPad 2 has been out since March, but more importantly, Samsung has been fabbing the A5 for Apple.

What people here are forgetting is that the SGS2 came out back in May. I'd argue that the CPU performance of the Exynos SoC is better than the A5, but it's being held back by Gingerbread. If you look at Galaxy Tab 10.1 reviews, despite it running a slower Tegra2, optimizations in Honeycomb help it score as well as the iPad 2 in Sunspider/BrowserMark. ICS will restore Android/iOS parity in those smartphone benchmarks.

The GPU performance of the A5 is much better. Leaked specs of the Nexus Prime show it having the same PowerVR SGX 543MP2 GPU as the A5. Both SoCs will be surpassed in GPU performance by Qualcomm when the Krait/Adreno 225 comes out early next year.

 

[Anubis]

If the carriers didn't subsidize phones in the us no one spend $700 on a phone. Unlike Europe we dont live with parents until people are 40. Last decade the average home buying age dropped into the 20's

the could still subsidize them without changing the crap put of them

there should be 1 SGS model with the only differences being the name printed on it and the frequency it works on same for the SGS2 and whatever phone

basically they should all be like the iphone - 1 model - different frequency thats it

 

[Demo24]

Samsung DID know what the performance of the iP4's successor would be like. The iPad 2 has been out since March, but more importantly, Samsung has been fabbing the A5 for Apple.

What people here are forgetting is that the SGS2 came out back in May. I'd argue that the CPU performance of the Exynos SoC is better than the A5, but it's being held back by Gingerbread. If you look at Galaxy Tab 10.1 reviews, despite it running a slower Tegra2, optimizations in Honeycomb help it score as well as the iPad 2 in Sunspider/BrowserMark. ICS will restore Android/iOS parity in those smartphone benchmarks.

The GPU performance of the A5 is much better. Leaked specs of the Nexus Prime show it having the same PowerVR SGX 543MP2 GPU as the A5. Both SoCs will be surpassed in GPU performance by Qualcomm when the Krait/Adreno 225 comes out early next year.

Agreed, I think this is probably software and that ICS may bring android back in contact again. All versions of the iphones show massive improvements with IOS5, and the one android item that seems to get close in those anand benchmarks is the galaxy tab8.9, running honeycomb.

Because afaik I see no real reason why the A5 in the ips4 would be so significantly faster at calculations than the other dual core soc's currently on the market.

 

[alent1234]

A5 has some custom parts. today i read that apple added a special part to the chip just for photos. it's supposed to be better than what's in DSLR's.

 

[Patranus]

Because afaik I see no real reason why the A5 in the ips4 would be so significantly faster at calculations than the other dual core soc's currently on the market.

Apple designs the hardware AND the software.
They can design a chip to run their software.
Android has to run on multiple platforms and those platforms are designed to run multiple OS.

Its all about efficiency and optimization.

 

[alent1234]

what really flipped me out was when i read that ICS was designed around OMAP. what's going to happen to all the other ARM CPU's? crappy perfomance or no upgrade?

 

[BigDaddyD]

By the time any, if any decent 3rd party accessories come out for an Android phone, it's already EOL...

My 6 month old Thunderbolt looks like crap, and creaks like an old taxi, the year old iPhones I'm setting up on Straight Talk look and feel great

You can't blame your lack of care for your TB on HTC. Mine looks and works just as it did when I bought it, and I got it when they came out. It also doesn't creak at all. Then again, I never took it apart or hacked my Thunderbolt. I think the wildest I got was swapped batteries and cases.

 

[Pliablemoose]

You can't blame your lack of care for your TB on HTC. Mine looks and works just as it did when I bought it, and I got it when they came out. It also doesn't creak at all. Then again, I never took it apart or hacked my Thunderbolt. I think the wildest I got was swapped batteries and cases.

Yeah, teh uber haxxoring of custom roms seems to have affected the structural integrity of my phone...

Bought mine on launch day too...

 

[bearxor]

Yeah, teh uber haxxoring of custom roms seems to have affected the structural integrity of my phone...

Bought mine on launch day too...

You are leet haxor. I want to touch your gee bee's.

 

[alent1234]

HTC build quality is top notch. not as pretty as apple but a lot stronger. my inspire never had a case and even after dropping on concrete doesn't have a scratch

 

[Pliablemoose]

You are leet haxor. I want to touch your gee bee's.

My EVO 4G actually blew up when I put Cyanogen on it, I have the scars to prove it...

 

[goog40]

SlashGear posted a video showing a side by side comparison of web browsing on the 4 vs 4S, and also the 4S vs SGS2. Pretty impressive.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/11/800mhz-iphone-4s-browser-powers-past-the-1-5ghz-samsung-galaxy-s2/

 

[Demo24]

SlashGear posted a video showing a side by side comparison of web browsing on the 4 vs 4S, and also the 4S vs SGS2. Pretty impressive.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/11/800mhz-iphone-4s-browser-powers-past-the-1-5ghz-samsung-galaxy-s2/

Only problem with that is the sgs2 was loading flash videos as well as the rest of the webpage, for having to do a bit more work it was still within reasonable time it seemed. I first thought they were all on the networks as well, but going back it does look like he used wifi so at least something was held constant. Nice improvement over the ip4 though!

 

[ew915]

HTC build quality is top notch. not as pretty as apple but a lot stronger. my inspire never had a case and even after dropping on concrete doesn't have a scratch

The statement is totally false, ANY phone dropped on concrete would have marks on its edges. It just needs to be seen whether the screen cracks or a or any components fail due to damage, smartphones are pretty touch, you will not damage the motherboard when you drop it, the first thing to go out is always the screen.

 

[bearxor]

SlashGear posted a video showing a side by side comparison of web browsing on the 4 vs 4S, and also the 4S vs SGS2. Pretty impressive.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/11/800mhz-iphone-4s-browser-powers-past-the-1-5ghz-samsung-galaxy-s2/

For a site called 9to5Mac, the flash video isn't really very iPad friendly...