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I'm so sick up apple and their ridiculous patent claims. The whole mess against Samsung is just an example of the disfunctional patent system. Just for the heck of it I thought I would setup a website called applepriorart.com, as a spot for people to post their prior art for stupid claims like D504889

I just pulled up a nice page from a 1998.

check out page 41 of the Star Trek DS9 technical manual. it describes a hand held tablet device called a "padd" with rounded corners and graphical display. If you ask me, the iPad designers stole the design direclty from there.

stupid.

multi-touch...we're they doing that in the old buck rodgers series in the 70s?
 
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Yeah, it's not like Samsung hasn't been sued before for stealing cell phone designs by a different cell phone company like RIM. And it's not like Samsung has been found willfully infringing patents in the past from companies like Pioneer. Samsung also is above reproach as a company. They would never resort to stuff like slush funds.
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Here's an example of Samsung's totally unique and innovative design. I don't know how their TV remote control designers were able to come up with something this unique.
 
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akugami said:
Yeah, it's not like Samsung hasn't been sued before for stealing cell phone designs by a different cell phone company like RIM. And it's not like Samsung has been found willfully infringing patents in the past from companies like Pioneer. Samsung also is above reproach as a company. They would never resort to stuff like slush funds.
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Here's an example of Samsung's totally unique and innovative design. I don't know how their TV remote control designers were able to come up with something this unique.
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Is this a real product? If so, what is it?
 
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In my opinion all of these supposed Design patents should be thrown out the window. The patent office should not be in the business of regulating designs any more thay they should regulate a dress style (think i-skirt) or foor recipes. They should regulate inventions that are unique and not obvious extension of exisiting technology or inventions. In my opinion, patents should protect those that are making significant contributions, not those that are just patenting every single feature in the hopes that they will be the right to sue their competitors.
 
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Cr0nJ0b said:
In my opinion all of these supposed Design patents should be thrown out the window. The patent office should not be in the business of regulating designs any more thay they should regulate a dress style (think i-skirt) or foor recipes. They should regulate inventions that are unique and not obvious extension of exisiting technology or inventions. In my opinion, patents should protect those that are making significant contributions, not those that are just patenting every single feature in the hopes that they will be the right to sue their competitors.
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So you think its okay for a design and style to be mimiced? where do you draw the line? other way round I would think you'd be calling for Apples head?
 
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Think of it this way. If a clothes designer comes out with a new ruffled skirt, does that mean that no one else can make a ruffled skirt? What about the chef that makes a brand new dessert using some really cool new ingredients that no one has thought of...and he puts into a bowl with a really neat swirl...patent protection? no i think not. A slat on the back...he'll get my dollars and there will be other that copy him...but so what...move on. Apple's design patent for the iphone 4 consists of:

the ornamental design for an electronic device with graphical user interface"

In my opinion the line should be drawn at a device that is designed to mimic the brand logo of the producer. So if apple makes a phone in the shape of an apple...they get a patent. Not for just making a snazy device with soft edges...come on!
 
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annomander said:
Really? try to back that up with anything?
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What is new and unique about the iphone graphical user interface? It uses a finger instead of a mouse? Ok...then patent the touch screen (oh that was done). How about side scrolling...it existed a long time ago...but not with a touch screen PC...who cares. you take one feature and add it to another feature...that's an obvious use of existing technology in my book.
 
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Cr0nJ0b said:
Think of it this way. If a clothes designer comes out with a new ruffled skirt, does that mean that no one else can make a ruffled skirt? What about the chef that makes a brand new dessert using some really cool new ingredients that no one has thought of...and he puts into a bowl with a really neat swirl...patent protection? no i think not. A slat on the back...he'll get my dollars and there will be other that copy him...but so what...move on. Apple's design patent for the iphone 4 consists of:

the ornamental design for an electronic device with graphical user interface"

In my opinion the line should be drawn at a device that is designed to mimic the brand logo of the producer. So if apple makes a phone in the shape of an apple...they get a patent. Not for just making a snazy device with soft edges...come on!
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Actually what you have mentioned is against the law, designer copies have being lawfully stopped and destroyed.

If Samsung goes too far there needs to be boundarys and stop twisting the issue, you know aswell as I do it is not just about the shape of the phone its about the whole package, the OS, the colours the placement, the packaging, the icons, the whole. You know that already.
 
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Cr0nJ0b said:
What is new and unique about the iphone graphical user interface? It uses a finger instead of a mouse? Ok...then patent the touch screen (oh that was done). How about side scrolling...it existed a long time ago...but not with a touch screen PC...who cares. you take one feature and add it to another feature...that's an obvious use of existing technology in my book.
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So that is a NO then.
 
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annomander said:
Actually what you have mentioned is against the law, designer copies have being lawfully stopped and destroyed.

If Samsung goes too far there needs to be boundarys and stop twisting the issue, you know aswell as I do it is not just about the shape of the phone its about the whole package, the OS, the colours the placement, the packaging, the icons, the whole. You know that already.
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I'm not saying that my idea is shared by our legislature. I just think the system should be changed.
 
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Oyeve said:
Is this a real product? If so, what is it?
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It's a Samsung TV remote. Figured the sentences underneath the pict would give it away but I digress. The model name is RMC30D Touch Control TV and it comes bundled with some of their HDTV's.

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The whole argument falls apart when you take into account that Apple stole the original iPod UI from Samsung years before though.
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You keep claiming Apple is stealing from Samsung. People will keep asking for proof.
 
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annomander said:
Actually what you have mentioned is against the law, designer copies have being lawfully stopped and destroyed.

If Samsung goes too far there needs to be boundarys and stop twisting the issue, you know aswell as I do it is not just about the shape of the phone its about the whole package, the OS, the colours the placement, the packaging, the icons, the whole. You know that already.
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Aren't you thinking of trademark infringement? Big difference between selling sunglasses that kind of look like Oakleys and selling replica Oakleys with their signature trademark on them, for example. What you're talking about would be akin to knock-off iPods, not items that are similar (although not identical) in design but marketed under a completely different brand name.
 
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I have to agree with cr0n on this one... most of these so-called "inventions" are just extensions of existing technology. All of these multi-touch techniques that are winning injunctions against Samsung are all made possible by the advancement of the touchscreen itself... they are a natural evolution of the touchscreen technology and not an invention themselves. Same thing with "scrolling" techniques... the idea that you can patent these concepts is ridiculous to me. All these patents really are, is a way to lay claim to the advancement of technology as a whole.

It's like if someone invented the keyboard and I begin patenting key layouts... (which actually happened by the way). It's just idiotic, and it stifles innovation.

You don't need patents to protect these types of innovations anyway... look at the HUGE headstart Apple gained by innovating on the iPhone and the iPad. This whole thing is just stupid... If Apple wants to go after Samsung for making it's TouchWiz interface look enticingly like iOS, and for using identical icons... fine... I support that. But this business of going after individual gestures, and the way the devices scroll... just fucking stupid.
 
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Doboji said:
I have to agree with cr0n on this one... most of these so-called "inventions" are just extensions of existing technology. All of these multi-touch techniques that are winning injunctions against Samsung are all made possible by the advancement of the touchscreen itself... they are a natural evolution of the touchscreen technology and not an invention themselves. Same thing with "scrolling" techniques... the idea that you can patent these concepts is ridiculous to me. All these patents really are, is a way to lay claim to the advancement of technology as a whole.

It's like if someone invented the keyboard and I begin patenting key layouts... (which actually happened by the way). It's just idiotic, and it stifles innovation.

You don't need patents to protect these types of innovations anyway... look at the HUGE headstart Apple gained by innovating on the iPhone and the iPad. This whole thing is just stupid... If Apple wants to go after Samsung for making it's TouchWiz interface look enticingly like iOS, and for using identical icons... fine... I support that. But this business of going after individual gestures, and the way the devices scroll... just fucking stupid.
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I agree with this
 
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Cr0nJ0b said:
I'm so sick up apple and their ridiculous patent claims. The whole mess against Samsung is just an example of the disfunctional patent system. Just for the heck of it I thought I would setup a website called applepriorart.com, as a spot for people to post their prior art for stupid claims like D504889

I just pulled up a nice page from a 1998.

check out page 41 of the Star Trek DS9 technical manual. it describes a hand held tablet device called a "padd" with rounded corners and graphical display. If you ask me, the iPad designers stole the design direclty from there.

stupid.

multi-touch...we're they doing that in the old buck rodgers series in the 70s?
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*Sigh* This is a really poor arugment and ill just leave it at that
 
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