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blackangst1 said:
Ah right. Its Trumps fault.

That was predictable.
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You know full well that a lot of it is. A lot of Trump supporters are in denial that the pandemic is a problem at all. What was that liberate Michigan, Pennsylvania & Virginia thing all about, anyway, other than to create that headset? Now it's catching up to them in Iowa & the Dakotas.

Your reference to the fatality rate is deeply dishonest, as well. The Northeast & West Coast got hit first, before successful treatments were found, so of course their rate is higher. The current infection rate is a more honest evaluation of the situation. Shee-it. They're not even trying to slow it down in Iowa.
 
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soundforbjt said:
Give them time...I explained the Blues states troubles in my first post. It hadn't gotten to the Red states as fast as NY and West Coast area.
Red states had the advantage of more knowledge and ignored it.
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Fuck you, Libtard. It's a Democratic hoax. It just kills the geezers, anyway.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Well, that is certainly a level headed, cool and collected, assessment of a Republican governor acting in accordance to what their votes demand.

Meanwhile people in Europe are protesting over their government's protection efforts on COVID.

It is almost like, when you shut down people's business - they blame you for their newfound poverty and destitution.
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It's almost like government that cared about the people would take care of them.

Here in the US, a check for $10,000 to every adult would allow rent/mortgages/groceries/business costs/etc. That's without various programs to ease the burden on the people to allow society to fix a current issue that can only be addressed by all of society.
 
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If Reynolds keeps sucking up tp Trump and Pence, Trump just might send Reynolds over to China like he did the previous republican governor Terry Branstad. That is how Reynolds became the iOwa governor in first place. Trump asked Branstad to go to China, Branstad said thanks but I rather not, then Trump replied "get packed, you're going". I'd advise Kim Reynolds, when you play with the devil you pay the price. Just ask Terry.
 
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Jhhnn said:
Ugh. It's perfectly obvious that treatment has improved given the reduced fatality rate. It can be no other way. Read more if you want-

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Okay, I'll take a look.

First, a description of the changes in treatment from March. A rather short list with no data to back up the idea that it makes a significant difference.
  • O2 Boosts: Lay on stomach, and nasal cannulas to blow air in.
  • Antiviral: remdesivir
  • Steroid: dexamethasone
Second... Is Covid-19 growing less lethal? The infection fatality rate says ‘no’
Recent reports have suggested that Covid-19 has become markedly less lethal in the United States. Our analysis of death rates and infection fatality rates from Arizona, the U.S. as a whole, and New York City shows it isn’t, indicating that public health measures to reduce infections should not be relaxed.​

Did you fall for a media propaganda campaign that existed back in June and July? They did a heck of a run of articles to cheer lead the "new" treatments. But it seems like they were just chasing the fact that young people exposed themselves for Memorial day and large gatherings, and had better outcomes than the older general population. Younger patients do better than older patients. No kidding. Those articles were just bias confirmation, nothing real.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Well, that is certainly a level headed, cool and collected, assessment of a Republican governor acting in accordance to what their votes demand.

Meanwhile people in Europe are protesting over their government's protection efforts on COVID.

It is almost like, when you shut down people's business - they blame you for their newfound poverty and destitution.
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And apparently, at least in Trump's alternative narrative of America, being dead or in a hospital seriously ill is acceptable. The economy above all else!!!
 
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Jaskalas said:
Okay, I'll take a look.

First, a description of the changes in treatment from March. A rather short list with no data to back up the idea that it makes a significant difference.
  • O2 Boosts: Lay on stomach, and nasal cannulas to blow air in.
  • Antiviral: remdesivir
  • Steroid: dexamethasone
Second... Is Covid-19 growing less lethal? The infection fatality rate says ‘no’
Recent reports have suggested that Covid-19 has become markedly less lethal in the United States. Our analysis of death rates and infection fatality rates from Arizona, the U.S. as a whole, and New York City shows it isn’t, indicating that public health measures to reduce infections should not be relaxed.​

Did you fall for a media propaganda campaign that existed back in June and July? They did a heck of a run of articles to cheer lead the "new" treatments. But it seems like they were just chasing the fact that young people exposed themselves for Memorial day and large gatherings, and had better outcomes than the older general population. Younger patients do better than older patients. No kidding. Those articles were just bias confirmation, nothing real.
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You've also gotten widespread useage of plasma. But from what I've read, the different oxygen techniques have made a big difference in the hospitals. Which is why we stopped hearing as much about ventilators.

Further, there is quite a bit of evidence that there were many more missed cases early in the pandemic that made the death rates look a lot worse.

What happened in the north east was ignorance, what's happening now is stupidity.
 
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Zorba said:
You've also gotten widespread useage of plasma. But from what I've read, the different oxygen techniques have made a big difference in the hospitals. Which is why we stopped hearing as much about ventilators.

Further, there is quite a bit of evidence that there were many more missed cases early in the pandemic that made the death rates look a lot worse.

What happened in the north east was ignorance, what's happening now is stupidity.
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So placing sick people back into Nursing Care facilities was ignorant, but not stupid? :rolleyes:
 
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pcgeek11 said:
So placing sick people back into Nursing Care facilities was ignorant, but not stupid? :rolleyes:
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Pretty sure they were following the CDC guidelines, which were changed after it became obvious it was dumb.

Opening colleges without widespread rapid testing is pure stupidity, though.
 
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Zorba said:
Pretty sure they were following the CDC guidelines, which were changed after it became obvious it was dumb.

Opening colleges without widespread rapid testing is pure stupidity, though.
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Is that because collage studen
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The OP is correct, Iowa's new cases are spiking, highest all time in the state, highest per cap in the USA. Last week ABC news reported that the state has been backdating some new cases in order to reduce the reported number of new cases.


The graph Greenman linked is outdated, see https://covidbystate.com/ and scroll down. That website is not a source for anything after April 8 and should be ignored. Go to Johns Hopkins, the CDC, Worldometers, or the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluations (IHME) sites for current statistics.
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Iowa is still in the middle.
www.cnn.com

Tracking Covid-19 cases in the US

Track the spread of coronavirus in the United States with maps and updates on cases and deaths.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
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Greenman said:
Is that because collage studen
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I think you are missing something there. Is it because college students can't be trusted to not party, hang out, and go to bars? Yes. Universities are basically the antithesis of socially distancing.
 
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Greenman said:
Long on hyperbole, short on facts. How does Iowa compare to other states for infections and deaths? I could look it up, but it seems like it should be part of your post.
Edit: I looked, Iowa is in the lower third of all states.
covidbystate.com

Covid-19 by State by Day: Photo

I've compiled the total confirmed cases for each state and plotted them each day, the same data being used on Johns Hopkins Map https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html . The data goes back to March 4th
covidbystate.com covidbystate.com
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how is it that you found some website that no one has ever heard of before and hasn't been updated since april!?! you had to go looking to find such outdated information. how many updated sites did you have to scroll by in the google results to find that turd?
 
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Jaskalas said:
Well, that is certainly a level headed, cool and collected, assessment of a Republican governor acting in accordance to what their votes demand.
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Unless you were a complete dweeb, I'm sure your momma asked you at some point "if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you? Sounds like you still need someone to stop your from doing stupid stuff.
Jaskalas said:
Meanwhile people in Europe are protesting over their government's protection efforts on COVID.

It is almost like, when you shut down people's business - they blame you for their newfound poverty and destitution.
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The US does not have a monopoly on stupidity. We are the poster child, but it is not a monopoly.
 
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ElFenix said:
how is it that you found some website that no one has ever heard of before and hasn't been updated since april!?! you had to go looking to find such outdated information. how many updated sites did you have to scroll by in the google results to find that turd?
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Right-wing authoritarians compartmentalize facts that they come across so that they don't have to change their beliefs and opinions when opposing information comes in.

That's it. Really. Once you understand how right-wing authoritarians work, their behavior isn't questionable, it's predictable.
 
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nickqt said:
Right-wing authoritarians compartmentalize facts that they come across so that they don't have to change their beliefs and opinions when opposing information comes in.

That's it. Really. Once you understand how right-wing authoritarians work, their behavior isn't questionable, it's predictable.
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I've said it many times, but cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
 
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