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Lemon law

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Well this just in from yahoo news. But Rafsanjani who lost to Ahmadinjad has just been named to head a powerful clerical group called the council of experts.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...Fvi9J7GMmOxv1ayv2s0NUE

The guys about 73 but he has been in the civilian parts of the Iraqi government since the time of Reagan and is regarded as a pragmatic moderate and possibly corrupt.

I am not sure how this will affects the Mullahs who have an ultimate veto over the civilian government but it may be a part of their crackdown.

If nothing else there is a new piece on the chessboard.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Aimster
It's a shame the Persian empire was not at its peak during the Islamic invasion of the world

:confused:

Muslim nations are Muslim because Arabs invaded. They forced everyone to be Muslim. If the Persian empire was strong rather than weak, they would have bitched slapped the Arabs and most of the Muslim nations today would not be Muslim.

The Jews. They rewarded the Jews with the tasks of protecting their winnings.
Then the spread of Zionism happened and the Muslims decided to not be friends with the Jews anymore some many years later.

I have had it with you Aimster, this is the 3rd time you bring this issue up and I have to comment on it, yet your opinion stays the same. I am so sick of having to re-explain this to you every time, that I will go ahead and quote my reply from another thread where you again voice out your hate for Arabs.

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Aimster
This thread is going to get locked because it an attack.

Arabs murdered and raped my Persian people and forced them to convert to Islam. Maybe I should "hate" them too?

It was a long time ago. Get over it.
</blockquote>

With all do respect Aimster, but you make it sound like the Persians never made a single step outside current day Iran. You seem to exaggerate that Arab conquest stuff too and use it often, IIRC the Persians weren't going around giving out flowers and candy to the rest of the world when they had the military power.

Here, that's the map of the Persian Empire right before Islamic-Arabic conquest by the Caliphate.
Well last time I checked that wasn't the Persia we all had in mind, that land they were spread on looks mostly Arabic to me, no? We all have a different picture now don't we?
Good.



But there was an "empire" that fought against the invading Arabs, no?

 

DarkThinker

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Aimster
It's a shame the Persian empire was not at its peak during the Islamic invasion of the world

:confused:

Muslim nations are Muslim because Arabs invaded. They forced everyone to be Muslim. If the Persian empire was strong rather than weak, they would have bitched slapped the Arabs and most of the Muslim nations today would not be Muslim.

The Jews. They rewarded the Jews with the tasks of protecting their winnings.
Then the spread of Zionism happened and the Muslims decided to not be friends with the Jews anymore some many years later.

I have had it with you Aimster, this is the 3rd time you bring this issue up and I have to comment on it, yet your opinion stays the same. I am so sick of having to re-explain this to you every time, that I will go ahead and quote my reply from another thread where you again voice out your hate for Arabs.

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Aimster
This thread is going to get locked because it an attack.

Arabs murdered and raped my Persian people and forced them to convert to Islam. Maybe I should "hate" them too?

It was a long time ago. Get over it.
</blockquote>

With all do respect Aimster, but you make it sound like the Persians never made a single step outside current day Iran. You seem to exaggerate that Arab conquest stuff too and use it often, IIRC the Persians weren't going around giving out flowers and candy to the rest of the world when they had the military power.

Here, that's the map of the Persian Empire right before Islamic-Arabic conquest by the Caliphate.
Well last time I checked that wasn't the Persia we all had in mind, that land they were spread on looks mostly Arabic to me, no? We all have a different picture now don't we?
Good.



But there was an "empire" that fought against the invading Arabs, no?

The Arabs did defeat the Persian army yes, if that's what you are asking here.
Look I am sorry your people got F`ed up the A in battle on the hand of my ancestors it happens to everyone, but I have to say, they had it coming to them and for the love of whatever you believe in get the f*ck over it JEEZ!

Last time I checked Persia didn't have a clean record by far, but you don't see me or anyone else for that matter stirring up sh!t over it? Do you know why? I am a civilized person, I don't go digging into the past wondering how I can stir up racial / religious tensions, we have enough issues to workout in the present for crap's sake, enough to not worry about the past, no?

You on the other hand can't let go, and I find your remarks intentionally insulting towards my heritage(rapists, murders...etc).
I would suggest you either accept history as it is and move on, or find the nearest city with a considerable Arab population, go on a spree in an attempt to convert people to Zoroastrianism and let history repeat itself on your ass for all I care!
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Aimster
It's a shame the Persian empire was not at its peak during the Islamic invasion of the world

:confused:

Muslim nations are Muslim because Arabs invaded. They forced everyone to be Muslim. If the Persian empire was strong rather than weak, they would have bitched slapped the Arabs and most of the Muslim nations today would not be Muslim.

The Jews. They rewarded the Jews with the tasks of protecting their winnings.
Then the spread of Zionism happened and the Muslims decided to not be friends with the Jews anymore some many years later.

I have had it with you Aimster, this is the 3rd time you bring this issue up and I have to comment on it, yet your opinion stays the same. I am so sick of having to re-explain this to you every time, that I will go ahead and quote my reply from another thread where you again voice out your hate for Arabs.

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Aimster
This thread is going to get locked because it an attack.

Arabs murdered and raped my Persian people and forced them to convert to Islam. Maybe I should "hate" them too?

It was a long time ago. Get over it.
</blockquote>

With all do respect Aimster, but you make it sound like the Persians never made a single step outside current day Iran. You seem to exaggerate that Arab conquest stuff too and use it often, IIRC the Persians weren't going around giving out flowers and candy to the rest of the world when they had the military power.

Here, that's the map of the Persian Empire right before Islamic-Arabic conquest by the Caliphate.
Well last time I checked that wasn't the Persia we all had in mind, that land they were spread on looks mostly Arabic to me, no? We all have a different picture now don't we?
Good.



But there was an "empire" that fought against the invading Arabs, no?

The Arabs did defeat the Persian army yes, if that's what you are asking here.
Look I am sorry your people got F`ed up the A in battle on the hand of my ancestors it happens to everyone, but I have to say, they had it coming to them and for the love of whatever you believe in get the f*ck over it JEEZ!

Last time I checked Persia didn't have a clean record by far, but you don't see me or anyone else for that matter stirring up sh!t over it? Do you know why? I am a civilized person, I don't go digging into the past wondering how I can stir up racial / religious tensions, we have enough issues to workout in the present for crap's sake, enough to not worry about the past, no?

You on the other hand can't let go, and I find your remarks intentionally insulting towards my heritage(rapists, murders...etc).
I would suggest you either accept history as it is and move on, or find the nearest city with a considerable Arab population, go on a spree in an attempt to convert people to Zoroastrianism and let history repeat itself on your ass for all I care!

My post had nothing to do with the strength of the Persian Empire.

I only brought it up because A) this thread is about Iran and B) I couldn't think of another power during that time that could have stopped the spread of Islam in the M.E.

My entire post was pretty much saying I hate Islam. Not about Persians > *insert name*

 

DarkThinker

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Well, as for your hatred, I am pretty confident that your hatred for Muslims & Arabs alike is all the way up there no doubt, but if I ask you "Were you hurt by an Arab/devout Muslim in your life ?" I am sure I'll get a blank stair out of you.

However I have to say your hatred is unjustified. I know for a fact that the Persians had it coming to them after their own expansionist agenda to be invaded and defeated by the hands of one of the peoples that they abused beforehand, I know for a fact that there were no forced conversions in Persia yet you insist on it, the problem is not that you hate, it's that you have jealousy boiling in the very depth of your soul, about the fact that the Arabs ended up being much more successful than the Persians ever were.
And if you are sad about your country Iran, go blame shiism for it, I know Iran was a beautiful place to visit before shiism took over the country in it's violent ways. Your country suffers from shiism the same way my country suffers from it too (shiism being manifested by Hizbollah in my country).

The best way I can put it for you Aimster, is that you are a bandwagoner hater.
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The point being the USA supported a Shah and got an Ayatollah and the Mullahs.

Can you recall who supported (and installed) that Shah?

 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Why would or should they rise up against their President, the U.S. hasn't risen up against Bush.

Iconic herein, of the greater hatred for our country than for those who hate and seek to kill people in our country. That is why when it comes to Islamic Supermacism and nuclear weapons your chief concern is forcibly removing anyone who wants to STOP the Islamists.

You are a traitor to this nation, and in your heart have convictions of treason against all of western civilization.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Why would or should they rise up against their President, the U.S. hasn't risen up against Bush.

Iconic herein, of the greater hatred for our country than for those who hate and seek to kill people in our country. That is why when it comes to Islamic Supermacism and nuclear weapons your chief concern is forcibly removing anyone who wants to STOP the Islamists.

You are a traitor to this nation, and in your heart have convictions of treason against all of western civilization.
Actually, I think it's a simple matter of him hating anyone and everyone who has had a more successful and fulfilling life than he has... and then there's his self-hatred that permeates his entire soul.

All told, my guess is that he genuinely wishes that he was the only man on earth.

sad, eh?
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Iconic herein, of the greater hatred for our country than for those who hate and seek to kill people in our country. That is why when it comes to Islamic Supermacism and nuclear weapons your chief concern is forcibly removing anyone who wants to STOP the Islamists.

You are a traitor to this nation, and in your heart have convictions of treason against all of western civilization.

Well said. :thumbsup:
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Well, as for your hatred, I am pretty confident that your hatred for Muslims & Arabs alike is all the way up there no doubt, but if I ask you "Were you hurt by an Arab/devout Muslim in your life ?" I am sure I'll get a blank stair out of you.

However I have to say your hatred is unjustified. I know for a fact that the Persians had it coming to them after their own expansionist agenda to be invaded and defeated by the hands of one of the peoples that they abused beforehand, I know for a fact that there were no forced conversions in Persia yet you insist on it, the problem is not that you hate, it's that you have jealousy boiling in the very depth of your soul, about the fact that the Arabs ended up being much more successful than the Persians ever were.
And if you are sad about your country Iran, go blame shiism for it, I know Iran was a beautiful place to visit before shiism took over the country in it's violent ways. Your country suffers from shiism the same way my country suffers from it too (shiism being manifested by Hizbollah in my country).

The best way I can put it for you Aimster, is that you are a bandwagoner hater.

History has shown Arabs love to invade people. They wanted to destroy the Jews and they wanted to destroy the Persians. This is RECENT history. They go around blowing themselves up killing innocent civilians. No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up. Don't sit here comparing Arab B.S to Persian B.S.

& I don't give a rat's ass about Iran. I've never been to Iran and I will never go to Iran.
Iran is destroyed because they are Muslim. Not because they are Shia-Muslim. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Why would or should they rise up against their President, the U.S. hasn't risen up against Bush.

Iconic herein, of the greater hatred for our country than for those who hate and seek to kill people in our country. That is why when it comes to Islamic Supermacism and nuclear weapons your chief concern is forcibly removing anyone who wants to STOP the Islamists.

You are a traitor to this nation, and in your heart have convictions of treason against all of western civilization.
LOL, whether you realize it or not you are as looney as Dave:laugh:
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: Aimster
No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up. Don't sit here comparing Arab B.S to Persian B.S.[/b]
ummm...ya, you're right, Iranians have no taste for suicide terror operations... none whatsoever... :confused:
http://www.meforum.org/article/1059
On June 5, 2004, the reformist daily Shargh granted Mohammad-Ali Samadi, Headquarters' spokesman, a front page interview.[7] Samadi has a pedigree of hard-line revolutionary credentials. He is a member of the editorial boards of Shalamche and Bahar magazines, affiliated with the hard-line Ansar-e Hezbollah (Followers of the Party of God) vigilante group, as well as the newspaper Jomhouri-ye Eslami, considered the voice of the intelligence ministry.[8] Samadi said he had registered 2,000 volunteers for suicide operations at a seminar the previous day.[9] Copies of the registration forms (see Figure 1) show that the "martyrdom-seekers" could volunteer for suicide operations against three targets: operations against U.S. forces in the Shi?ite holy cities in Iraq; against Israelis in Jerusalem; and against Rushdie. The registration forms also quote Khomeini's declaration that "If the enemy assaults the lands of the Muslims and its frontiers, it is mandatory for all Muslims to defend it by all means possible [be it by] offering life or property,"[10] and current supreme leader Ali Khamene'i's remarks that "[m]artyrdom-seeking operations mark the highest point of the greatness of a nation and the peak of [its] epic. A man, a youth, a boy, and a girl who are prepared to sacrifice their lives for the sake of the interests of the nation and their religion is the [symbol of the] greatest pride, courage, and bravery."[11] According to press reports, a number of senior regime officials have attended the Headquarters' seminars.[12]

Suicide Units

The Iranian officials appeared true to their word. During a September 2004 speech in Bushehr, home of Iran's declared nuclear reactor, Samadi announced the formation of a "martyrdom-seeking" unit from Bushehr, while Hossein Shariatmadari, editor of the official daily Keyhan, called the United States military "our hostage in Iraq," and bragged that "martyrdom-operations constitute a tactical capability in the world of Islam."[13]

Then, on November 23, 2004, in response to the U.S. campaign against Iraqi insurgents in Fallujah,[14] Samadi announced the formation of the first suicide unit. Named after the chief bomb-maker of Hamas, Yahya Ayyash, also known as Al-Muhandis (The Engineer) assassinated on January 5, 1996, it consisted of three teams of unknown size: the Rim Saleh ar-Riyashi team, named after Hamas's first female suicide bomber; the Mustafa Mahmud Mazeh team, named after a 21-year-old Lebanese who met his death in a Paddington hotel room on August 3, 1989, priming a book bomb likely aimed at Salman Rushdie; and the Ahmad Qasir team, named after a 15-year-old Lebanese Hezbollah suicide bomber whose operation demolished an eight-story building housing Israeli forces in Tyre, southern Lebanon, on November 11, 1982.[15] Samadi said there would be an additional call for volunteers at Tehran's largest Iran-Iraq war cemetery, the Behesht-e Zahra, the following week,[16] and even promised to consider establishing special elementary schools to train for suicide operations.[17]:Q:Q:Q:Q

He kept his word. On December 2, 2004, the Headquarters gathered a crowd in the Martyr's Section of Behesht-e Zahra,[18] where those who conducted suicide operations are honored. According to the Iranian Mehr News Agency, the organization unveiled a memorial stone commemorating the "martyrs" killed in the 1983 Hezbollah attacks on the U.S. Marine and French peacekeepers' barracks in Beirut. They set the stone next to one commemorating Anwar Sadat's assassin. Samadi concluded the ceremony with a raging speech, declaring, "The operation against the Marines was a hard blow in the mouth of the Americans and demonstrated that despite their hollow prestige and imagined strength ? they [have] many vulnerable points and weaknesses. We consider this operation a good model. The cemeteries in which their dead are buried provide an interesting view and cool the hearts of those Muslims who have been stepped upon under the boots of the Yankees while they were ignored by the international community."[19]

The suicide corps continued to expand even though there is no evidence that their patrons have made them operational. In April 2005, the semi-official daily Iran announced convocation of a unit of female suicide bombers nicknamed the Olive Daughters.[20] The Baztab news website, which is associated with Mohsen Rezai, head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps from 1981 to 1997 and since secretary of the Expediency Council, cited one Firouz Rajai-Far, who said, "The martyrdom-seeking Iranian women and girls ? are ready to walk in the footsteps of the holy female Palestinian warriors, realizing the most terrifying nightmares of Zionists."[21] Rajai-Far, a former hostage taker at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holds the license for Do-Kouhe (Two Mountains, referring to one of the fiercest battlegrounds of the Iran-Iraq war) magazine, which is affiliated with the vigilante organization Ansar-e Hezbollah.[22]

Ayatollah Hossein Nouri Hamedani bestowed theological legitimacy upon such suicide terror operations in a written message to the gathering.[23] Attendance at the rally indicates some endorsement and a support network for suicide operations. Attending the rally were Palestinian Hamas representative Abu Osama al-Muata; Muhammad Hasan Rahimian, the supreme leader's personal representative to the powerful Bonyad-e Shahid (The Martyr Foundation); Mehdi Kuchakzadeh, an Iranian parliamentarian; Mustafa Rahmandust, general secretary of the Association for Support to the People of Palestine; and model female fighter Marziyeh Hadideh Dabbagh.[24]

More vocal expressions of solidarity are limited, however. The Mehr News Agency reports only a single declaration of solidarity from the spokesman of the University Basij at the Tehran branch of Islamic Azad University, who compared contemporary suicide operations with the "revolutionary deeds" of Mirza-Reza Kermani, the assassin of Nasser al-Din Shah, a nineteenth-century king vilified by the Islamic Republic, and with Navvab Safavi, founder of the Fadayian-e Islam and famous for assassinating the liberal nationalist author and historian Ahmad Kasravi.[25] Still, that a group at the Islamic Azad University endorsed the organization is significant. Founded to broaden the reach of education after the Islamic Revolution, the university has several dozen satellite campuses across the country and today is the largest higher education system in Iran.

On May 13, 2005, officials declared the second suicide terror unit, the so-called "Martyr Shahada unit," consisting of 300 martyrdom-seekers, to be ready.[26] Some months later, there was a gathering of the "martyrdom-seekers" at Shahrud University. While the invited Hamas representative did not attend, they watched Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech from the "World without Zionism" conference on screen.[27] While the status of the third and fourth suicide brigades remains unclear, new suicide units continue to declare their readiness. In May 2006, a fifth "martyrdom-seeking" unit, named after Commander Nader Mahdavi, who died in a 1988 suicide mission against the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf, declared itself ready to defend Iran. The Headquarters even claims to have recruited "thirty-five foreign Jews" for suicide attacks.[28]
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Aimster
No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up. Don't sit here comparing Arab B.S to Persian B.S.[/b]
ummm...ya, you're right, Iranians have no taste for suicide terror operations... none whatsoever... :confused:
http://www.meforum.org/article/1059
Suicide Units

The Iranian officials appeared true to their word. During a September 2004 speech in Bushehr, home of Iran's declared nuclear reactor, Samadi announced the formation of a "martyrdom-seeking" unit from Bushehr, while Hossein Shariatmadari, editor of the official daily Keyhan, called the United States military "our hostage in Iraq," and bragged that "martyrdom-operations constitute a tactical capability in the world of Islam."[13]

Then, on November 23, 2004, in response to the U.S. campaign against Iraqi insurgents in Fallujah,[14] Samadi announced the formation of the first suicide unit. Named after the chief bomb-maker of Hamas, Yahya Ayyash, also known as Al-Muhandis (The Engineer) assassinated on January 5, 1996, it consisted of three teams of unknown size: the Rim Saleh ar-Riyashi team, named after Hamas's first female suicide bomber; the Mustafa Mahmud Mazeh team, named after a 21-year-old Lebanese who met his death in a Paddington hotel room on August 3, 1989, priming a book bomb likely aimed at Salman Rushdie; and the Ahmad Qasir team, named after a 15-year-old Lebanese Hezbollah suicide bomber whose operation demolished an eight-story building housing Israeli forces in Tyre, southern Lebanon, on November 11, 1982.[15] Samadi said there would be an additional call for volunteers at Tehran's largest Iran-Iraq war cemetery, the Behesht-e Zahra, the following week,[16] and even promised to consider establishing special elementary schools to train for suicide operations.[17]:Q:Q:Q:Q

He kept his word. On December 2, 2004, the Headquarters gathered a crowd in the Martyr's Section of Behesht-e Zahra,[18] where those who conducted suicide operations are honored. According to the Iranian Mehr News Agency, the organization unveiled a memorial stone commemorating the "martyrs" killed in the 1983 Hezbollah attacks on the U.S. Marine and French peacekeepers' barracks in Beirut. They set the stone next to one commemorating Anwar Sadat's assassin. Samadi concluded the ceremony with a raging speech, declaring, "The operation against the Marines was a hard blow in the mouth of the Americans and demonstrated that despite their hollow prestige and imagined strength ? they [have] many vulnerable points and weaknesses. We consider this operation a good model. The cemeteries in which their dead are buried provide an interesting view and cool the hearts of those Muslims who have been stepped upon under the boots of the Yankees while they were ignored by the international community."[19]

The suicide corps continued to expand even though there is no evidence that their patrons have made them operational. In April 2005, the semi-official daily Iran announced convocation of a unit of female suicide bombers nicknamed the Olive Daughters.[20] The Baztab news website, which is associated with Mohsen Rezai, head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps from 1981 to 1997 and since secretary of the Expediency Council, cited one Firouz Rajai-Far, who said, "The martyrdom-seeking Iranian women and girls ? are ready to walk in the footsteps of the holy female Palestinian warriors, realizing the most terrifying nightmares of Zionists."[21] Rajai-Far, a former hostage taker at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holds the license for Do-Kouhe (Two Mountains, referring to one of the fiercest battlegrounds of the Iran-Iraq war) magazine, which is affiliated with the vigilante organization Ansar-e Hezbollah.[22]

Ayatollah Hossein Nouri Hamedani bestowed theological legitimacy upon such suicide terror operations in a written message to the gathering.[23] Attendance at the rally indicates some endorsement and a support network for suicide operations. Attending the rally were Palestinian Hamas representative Abu Osama al-Muata; Muhammad Hasan Rahimian, the supreme leader's personal representative to the powerful Bonyad-e Shahid (The Martyr Foundation); Mehdi Kuchakzadeh, an Iranian parliamentarian; Mustafa Rahmandust, general secretary of the Association for Support to the People of Palestine; and model female fighter Marziyeh Hadideh Dabbagh.[24]

More vocal expressions of solidarity are limited, however. The Mehr News Agency reports only a single declaration of solidarity from the spokesman of the University Basij at the Tehran branch of Islamic Azad University, who compared contemporary suicide operations with the "revolutionary deeds" of Mirza-Reza Kermani, the assassin of Nasser al-Din Shah, a nineteenth-century king vilified by the Islamic Republic, and with Navvab Safavi, founder of the Fadayian-e Islam and famous for assassinating the liberal nationalist author and historian Ahmad Kasravi.[25] Still, that a group at the Islamic Azad University endorsed the organization is significant. Founded to broaden the reach of education after the Islamic Revolution, the university has several dozen satellite campuses across the country and today is the largest higher education system in Iran.

On May 13, 2005, officials declared the second suicide terror unit, the so-called "Martyr Shahada unit," consisting of 300 martyrdom-seekers, to be ready.[26] Some months later, there was a gathering of the "martyrdom-seekers" at Shahrud University. While the invited Hamas representative did not attend, they watched Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech from the "World without Zionism" conference on screen.[27] While the status of the third and fourth suicide brigades remains unclear, new suicide units continue to declare their readiness. In May 2006, a fifth "martyrdom-seeking" unit, named after Commander Nader Mahdavi, who died in a 1988 suicide mission against the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf, declared itself ready to defend Iran. The Headquarters even claims to have recruited "thirty-five foreign Jews" for suicide attacks.[28]

You post junk as always.

Iranians do not go around blowing themselves up.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: Aimster
You post junk as always.

Iranians do not go around blowing themselves up.
Well I guess the existence of at least five self-proclaimed Iranian "Suicide" Brigades is rather odd then, eh?

Perhaps the Iranian memorials erected to honor all of the martyrs and assassins throughout Israel, Lebanon, and Palestine are just a mirage too, eh?

I guess "Denial" is more than just a river in Egypt...

Face it aimster, you're wrong. Follow the links. Every single fact and quote in the article is properly cited.

Sometimes the truth just hurts man... that's ok though, you'll get over it! It's not your fault that suicide terror attacks are a problem throughout the entire Muslim world, including your precious Iran!
 

StageLeft

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Damn them for not letting the women dress in a certain way. I think the US should free them from this oppression with many thousands of tons of ordnance. Then the women can walk around the rubble, free of the police who now pester their clothing choices.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
...free of the police who now pester their clothing choices...
...and arrest them for it, or stone them, or hang them, or rape them, or...or...

you're absolutely right! We shouldnt care if anyone else in the world suffers in extremely inhumane conditions. We should just focus on ourselves, right? Forget trying to change the world for the better... or trying to share this wonderful thing we found called "freedom"... let's just enjoy our success and wealth alone! woohoooo!

:roll:
 

Aimster

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Existence and a history of something is different. I said Iranians are not going around blowing themselves up which is right. You say I am wrong by posting some b.s about the existence of groups that are not going around blowing themselves up

The Iranian govt. does not represent the Iranian people. It is a bunch of minorities controlling the majority.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Existence and a history of something is different. I said Iranians are not going around blowing themselves up which is right. You say I am wrong by posting some b.s about the existence of groups that are not going around blowing themselves up

The Iranian govt. does not represent the Iranian people. It is a bunch of minorities controlling the majority.
No, you were wrong in claiming that ALL "Persians" refrain from "blowing themselves up" - which is blatantly false. If you bothered to read the link, you'd see that many members of these Iranian Suicide Brigades have traveled to Lebanon, and elsewhere, to do just that.

Your initial statement did not distinguish between the government and the people. You made a blanket statement regarding all Persians vs. Arabs. Here's your statement:

"No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up."

Just admit you were wrong, and we can move on...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Skoorb
...free of the police who now pester their clothing choices...
...and arrest them for it, or stone them, or hang them, or rape them, or...or...

you're absolutely right! We shouldnt care if anyone else in the world suffers in extremely inhumane conditions. We should just focus on ourselves, right? Forget trying to change the world for the better... or trying to share this wonderful thing we found called "freedom"... let's just enjoy our success and wealth alone! woohoooo!

:roll:
Yeah it's better to export our freedom to them by means of the sword even if it kills them:roll:

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Aimster
Existence and a history of something is different. I said Iranians are not going around blowing themselves up which is right. You say I am wrong by posting some b.s about the existence of groups that are not going around blowing themselves up

The Iranian govt. does not represent the Iranian people. It is a bunch of minorities controlling the majority.
No, you were wrong in claiming that ALL "Persians" refrain from "blowing themselves up" - which is blatantly false. If you bothered to read the link, you'd see that many members of these Iranian Suicide Brigades have traveled to Lebanon, and elsewhere, to do just that.

Your initial statement did not distinguish between the government and the people. You made a blanket statement regarding all Persians vs. Arabs. Here's your statement:

"No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up."

Just admit you were wrong, and we can move on...

Lebanon? Prove Iranians were going to Lebanon to blow themselves up. Better yet prove Persians since only 49% of Iran is Persian.

With your thinking you might as well say the U.S kills babies by dropping bombs on them.

I want to see hardcore facts of Persians blowing themselves up killing civilians in those areas you just mentioned.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Skoorb
...free of the police who now pester their clothing choices...
...and arrest them for it, or stone them, or hang them, or rape them, or...or...

you're absolutely right! We shouldnt care if anyone else in the world suffers in extremely inhumane conditions. We should just focus on ourselves, right? Forget trying to change the world for the better... or trying to share this wonderful thing we found called "freedom"... let's just enjoy our success and wealth alone! woohoooo!

:roll:
Yeah it's better to export our freedom to them by means of the sword even if it kills them:roll:
I never said that. But, turning a blind eye or ignoring the inhumanity is not an option either... and then, what do you do if decades of sanctions, negotiations, or diplomacy fail? At what point do you stop banging your head against a wall and draw your sword?
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Skoorb
...free of the police who now pester their clothing choices...
...and arrest them for it, or stone them, or hang them, or rape them, or...or...

you're absolutely right! We shouldnt care if anyone else in the world suffers in extremely inhumane conditions. We should just focus on ourselves, right? Forget trying to change the world for the better... or trying to share this wonderful thing we found called "freedom"... let's just enjoy our success and wealth alone! woohoooo!

:roll:
Yeah it's better to export our freedom to them by means of the sword even if it kills them:roll:
I never said that. But, turning a blind eye or ignoring the inhumanity is not an option either... and then, what do you do if decades of sanctions, negotiations, or diplomacy fail? At what point do you stop banging your head against a wall and draw your sword?
Well lets wait for the inhumanity to get worse than telling woman what to wear and outlawing Sattelite TV before we bomb them to hell ok?

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Aimster
Existence and a history of something is different. I said Iranians are not going around blowing themselves up which is right. You say I am wrong by posting some b.s about the existence of groups that are not going around blowing themselves up

The Iranian govt. does not represent the Iranian people. It is a bunch of minorities controlling the majority.
No, you were wrong in claiming that ALL "Persians" refrain from "blowing themselves up" - which is blatantly false. If you bothered to read the link, you'd see that many members of these Iranian Suicide Brigades have traveled to Lebanon, and elsewhere, to do just that.

Your initial statement did not distinguish between the government and the people. You made a blanket statement regarding all Persians vs. Arabs. Here's your statement:

"No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up."

Just admit you were wrong, and we can move on...

Lebanon? Prove Iranians were going to Lebanon to blow themselves up. Better yet prove Persians since only 49% of Iran is Persian.

With your thinking you might as well say the U.S kills babies by dropping bombs on them.
Does this also mean that you hate 51% of the Iranian people?

On July 17, 2006, Arya News Agency reported an expedition of two "martyrdom-units," one consisting of eighteen and the second consisting of nine "martyrdom-seekers," to Lebanon. At demonstrations in Tehran and Tabriz ten days later, sixty Iranian volunteers declared their readiness for holy war. There was also a rally in Rasht, capital of the Caspian province of Gilan, on July 29. But despite the bravado, Iranian police stopped a caravan of self-described "martyrdom-seekers" at the Turkish border.

I think you're nuts man. You could be slapped across the face with a live trout and still deny the existence of fish...

Face it, some Persians are just as suicidal and ignorant as their Arab brethren!
 

Lemon law

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Palehorse74 paranoia at its finest---On July 17, 2006, Arya News Agency reported an expedition of two "martyrdom-units," one consisting of eighteen and the second consisting of nine "martyrdom-seekers," to Lebanon. At demonstrations in Tehran and Tabriz ten days later, sixty Iranian volunteers declared their readiness for holy war. There was also a rally in Rasht, capital of the Caspian province of Gilan, on July 29. But despite the bravado, Iranian police stopped a caravan of self-described "martyrdom-seekers" at the Turkish border.

And here it is 50 days later and amazingly, the world has not ended. And good and bad things totally unrelated to palehorses74's latest worry continue to keep occurring as we all discover lots of shit happens all the time.

As for palehorses74 conclusion---I think you're nuts man. You could be slapped across the face with a live trout and still deny the existence of fish...

I think palehorse74 could be slapped with a minnow and think it a whale. Which is just another way to say he is making a mountain out of a molehill again. And worse yet palehorse74's remedy for every slap is to deliver a greater counterslap right back. Which sadly is a recipe for making a mountain out of a molehill.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Aimster
Existence and a history of something is different. I said Iranians are not going around blowing themselves up which is right. You say I am wrong by posting some b.s about the existence of groups that are not going around blowing themselves up

The Iranian govt. does not represent the Iranian people. It is a bunch of minorities controlling the majority.
No, you were wrong in claiming that ALL "Persians" refrain from "blowing themselves up" - which is blatantly false. If you bothered to read the link, you'd see that many members of these Iranian Suicide Brigades have traveled to Lebanon, and elsewhere, to do just that.

Your initial statement did not distinguish between the government and the people. You made a blanket statement regarding all Persians vs. Arabs. Here's your statement:

"No matter how F'd up Iran is I do not see Persians going around invading people or blowing themselves up."

Just admit you were wrong, and we can move on...

Lebanon? Prove Iranians were going to Lebanon to blow themselves up. Better yet prove Persians since only 49% of Iran is Persian.

With your thinking you might as well say the U.S kills babies by dropping bombs on them.
Does this also mean that you hate 51% of the Iranian people?

On July 17, 2006, Arya News Agency reported an expedition of two "martyrdom-units," one consisting of eighteen and the second consisting of nine "martyrdom-seekers," to Lebanon. At demonstrations in Tehran and Tabriz ten days later, sixty Iranian volunteers declared their readiness for holy war. There was also a rally in Rasht, capital of the Caspian province of Gilan, on July 29. But despite the bravado, Iranian police stopped a caravan of self-described "martyrdom-seekers" at the Turkish border.

I think you're nuts man. You could be slapped across the face with a live trout and still deny the existence of fish...

Face it, some Persians are just as suicidal and ignorant as their Arab brethren!

Good thing you never went to law school because you fail to link anything together.

What the hell does 60 people saying they want to fight for a holy war have to do with Iranians blowing themselves up?
A lot of people in here say they want all Muslims dead. Are they actually going around and doing anything about it?

Plus sending people to Lebanon for a holy war means fighting Israeli troops .
The hell does that have to do with barbaric acts?

I said show me hardcore facts showing Iranians have in mass numbers blown themselves up and all you can show me is a bunch of "we said they said" B.S.

Maybe you should start digging up better sources from your google searches. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know how to write a story and puts 5 pieces of information from different times into one paragraph without showing how they are linked in anyway.