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Internet Voting

Should the U.S. allow Internet voting?

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  • No (explain please)

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bradly1101

bradly1101

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Every few years in the U.S. we lament the lack of voter turnout. I mentioned Internet voting on this forum a long time ago and was roundly criticized for not considering security.

But now there are some places that allow online voting (including in Arizona):

Arizona made transitional moves towards online voting. Each registered Democrat received a personal identification number in the mail. These citizens had the option to either cast ballots at a designated location or over the internet from the comfort of their own home. Voters voting over the internet were required to insert their PIN and answer two personal questions. Once all the information is verified, they have the voting options.

Estonia has made notable advances in Internet Voting technology. In Estonia, each voter has a national ID card that they use to identify each citizen. The ID card is the security Estonia put in to ensure reliability in votes. Security officials said that they have not detected any unusual activity or tampering of the votes.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#Online_voting

So now that security doesn't seem to be a big problem, does Internet voting make sense to combat low turnout? Or does it scare the right too much (I found a silly article from The Heritage Foundation about the supposed danger of online voting 🙄)?
 
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Go watch the last episode of the animated tv series of the Dilbert cartoon, entitled "Ethics".. It will explain perfectly why internet voting is....problematic.
 
You can file your drivers license renewal online.
You can pay your tickets online.
You can pay your taxes online.
You can pay your bills online.
You can order things online.
You can meet your life partner online.
You can stay in touch with family online.
You can ask for the US embassy for help getting your passport online.

But you cannot vote online.

Why? It would be too crazy to allow millenialls the right to vote since they're very liberal. 😀
 
No. If you can vote online from anywhere, that somewhere could be someplace someone puts a "gun" to your head to vote a certain way. That "gun" could be metaphorical, like an employer requiring you to vote from work, observing you, and threatening you with a lack of employment if you don't vote their way.

I also don't like mail-in voting, which seems to happen a lot in local elections lately. Fortunately, not national elections, yet.
 
If the security can be absolutely insured then this would be very awesome. It would increase voter turnout by massive amounts which is probably why it will never be instituted on a wide scale in the US.
 
Ken g6 said:
No. If you can vote online from anywhere, that somewhere could be someplace someone puts a "gun" to your head to vote a certain way. That "gun" could be metaphorical, like an employer requiring you to vote from work, observing you, and threatening you with a lack of employment if you don't vote their way.
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That doesn't concern me a bit. Said employee could sue the ever living shit out of said employer and would likely make out better then simply remaining in their employ.
 
The US has an outdated, absurd voting system (Electoral College), where critics say for the longest that it makes individual votes and turnout merely irrelevant.

So, no, there is no interest in letting actual people vote and increase turnout, if there was such an interest by the establishment they would already have revised the system long, long ago.
 
Indus said:
But you cannot vote online.
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Because its too easily faked!!!!! (The voting system is already a joke...... ONLY MEANT TO KEEP SHEEP THINKING THEY HAVE SAY IN THINGS when in fact they do not)
 
Indus said:
You can file your drivers license renewal online.
You can pay your tickets online.
You can pay your taxes online.
You can pay your bills online.
You can order things online.
You can meet your life partner online.
You can stay in touch with family online.
You can ask for the US embassy for help getting your passport online.

But you cannot vote online.

Why? It would be too crazy to allow millenialls the right to vote since they're very liberal. 😀
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You're not supposed to be able to vote twice. Bad idea and you can best be guaranteed that people will vote multiple times. Your argument is dumb....same as when people say Democrats are either too stupid or poor to get voter ID. 😉

In typical Democrat fashion, it will be them advocating such hanky-panky.
 
bradly1101 said:
Every few years in the U.S. we lament the lack of voter turnout. I mentioned Internet voting on this forum a long time ago and was roundly criticized for not considering security.

But now there are some places that allow online voting (including in Arizona):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#Online_voting

So now that security doesn't seem to be a big problem, does Internet voting make sense to combat low turnout? Or does it scare the right too much (I found a silly article from The Heritage Foundation about the supposed danger of online voting 🙄)?
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A 200+ year old voting system from the time royalty ruled the world could be said to need updating when compared to systems invented in the last 50 years.
 
Ken g6 said:
No. If you can vote online from anywhere, that somewhere could be someplace someone puts a "gun" to your head to vote a certain way. That "gun" could be metaphorical, like an employer requiring you to vote from work, observing you, and threatening you with a lack of employment if you don't vote their way.

I also don't like mail-in voting, which seems to happen a lot in local elections lately. Fortunately, not national elections, yet.
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Can a vote at a polling place not be influenced, if not by direct observation but by prior threats as well?
 
compuwiz1 said:
You're not supposed to be able to vote twice. Bad idea and you can best be guaranteed that people will vote multiple times. Your argument is dumb....same as when people say Democrats are either too stupid or poor to get voter ID. 😉

In typical Democrat fashion, it will be them advocating such hanky-panky.
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If Amazon can keep my orders straight, the DMV can verify me and my individual transactions, and the fact that all our votes are captured digitally now anyway without duplicate votes, I'm sure a well designed system could virtually if not fully eliminate fraud.
 
With electronic voting we can create automated run off elections.

4 way race?
You cast your vote by priority. If your guy doesn't win the first round, your second choice is counted instead. Keep eliminating the lowest vote holder until it's a 2-way race and there's a clear winner. A computer could process that in seconds.

No more "wasted votes" or feeling like you must "pick the lesser of two evils".
 
bradly1101 said:
If Amazon can keep my orders straight, the DMV can verify me and my individual transactions, and the fact that all our votes are captured digitally now anyway without duplicate votes, I'm sure a well designed system could virtually if not fully eliminate fraud.
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I can set up multiple Amazon accounts. I could set up multiple AT forums accounts. We're not there yet, as far as online voting security goes. Both parties will have their reasons for keeping it from being secure enough to go forward, but I can see most of that coming from Democrats. They don't like too much integrity in the voting process.

That said, if I could do it my way, there would be a one use card issued to every registered voter. It's good for one voting cycle on your ballot, per year issued. Maybe it could be used on your computer, but only once, as it voids itself after use. If you lose it, you cannot use it. No replacements. If a person can't pass e-verify, they don't get a card, nor can the incarcerated, or those otherwise prohibited by law from voting. <<< Liberals are gonna really hate that.
 
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I like the idea of voting online... my problem is that means more of the young people will vote... and the young millenials are a wee bit across the retard line.... So then I quickly revert back to no, no online voting.
 
No.

Because security cannot be guaranteed. Those claiming it's the same as paying bills (who'd want to pay YOUR bill online?) are ignorant. Too many smart people can get around the online voting security and compromise it. Everything is hackable now days. Banks, governments, etc.

Evidence; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxGGnmRQAs
 
compuwiz1 said:
You're not supposed to be able to vote twice. Bad idea and you can best be guaranteed that people will vote multiple times. Your argument is dumb....same as when people say Democrats are either too stupid or poor to get voter ID. 😉

In typical Democrat fashion, it will be them advocating such hanky-panky.
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It's clear that the voting laws were meant for a population of 50,000,000 people but we're approaching 350,000,000 and some states don't even allow early voting. Most states full of conservaterrorists are busy closing down poll places to suppress the vote since who the fuck wants to wait 8 hours to vote online but they want people to wait 80 days in line hoping they give up.

What's the bigger evil here? The conservaterrorists getting their way or the millenialls getting their way and voting by phone.

Q.E.D.
 
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While I don't have an inherent problem with internet voting, it simply is not the solution. Your electoral system is overwhelmingly fucked up. Your elections are nonsensical. They're basically designed to reduce legitimate interest in policy and politics. The laughingstock of western democracy.
 
cbrunny said:
While I don't have an inherent problem with internet voting, it simply is not the solution. Your electoral system is overwhelmingly fucked up. Your elections are nonsensical. They're basically designed to reduce legitimate interest in policy and politics. The laughingstock of western democracy.
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I can agree with that a little bit.

Stuff is outdated election wise. I do think the system of 3 branches of government works but elections need to be once every 5 years for every legislative office, not congressmen every 2 years, president every 4 years and senators every 6 years.

That is precisely the reason nothing gets done.
 
I was against it because of how easy it would be to game/rig. But when you have fully hackable and unaccountable black box voting machines, what difference does it make?
 
i've never voted before but if there was a way to do it online i'd consider it just for convenience, although i probably would have no clue who i'm voting for anyways since i don't pay attention to politics.
 
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