Interesting tidbit about 9/11...

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BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: alkemyst


Who is denying the planes hit? Can you comprehend a basic topic or are you so afraid that you think having a couple jetliners hitting two buildings did what it did perfectly identically to each other?

what the hell are you even talking about? i think you are the one who can't comprehend a basic topic.

he can't handle people proving him wrong so he puts his fingers in his ears and says "LALALALALALA". He has to do it so often that it's amazing he can type at all.

Typical reaction when you start throwing facts at truthers.
 
Dec 26, 2007
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Ns1

So are you pretty much ignoring all the posts disproving your ridiculous theories?

oh yeah...I am wrong on that, an avgas fueled fire burns just like a dorm room cigarette butt falling to the carpet.

My bad.

Well you have yet to respond AT ALL to my post from yesterday proving you wrong on numerous accounts. Or any of my other posts asking questions recently.

I'll just assume you know you can't prove me wrong on this so you have moved on to try and prove others wrong.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Let me reply to your: 1) hopefully just trolling, or 2) lack of understanding.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

What do you propose then? Every other "Truther" has said it is a GOVERNMENT conspiracy. So fine if it's not the government then who is it? The Big Bad Wolf coming to implode our buildings?

ahh truther...this is new to me but the new ATOT kiddie word like douche.

No one knows who did it / behind it; that's the point.


Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Ok so you don't know what "controlled" means do you? A pallet of explosives would be anything BUT controlled. Thank you for shooting your own theory down though.

Assuming you meant a pallets worth of bulk explosives (had to get in the bulk reference :)) and then they were planted throughout the building, do some research into controlled demo jobs before you say thats how it was done.

It would only take about a pallet of them BROUGHT into the building and PLACED within it. I swear you really don't understand the situation and feel you are somehow smart enough to get by in replying to it the way you THINK things would happen.

We aren't talking dynamite and someone with a plunger.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Well I don't know about who you think would dismantle a bomb, but my first choice is the bomb squad. Also an explosive that size wouldn't have had enough of an effect to bring down the towers unless you placed a TON of them.

It was an example I used. Maybe one is disguised as an emergency light, some more placed inside a water fountain...some more strapped under a sink .... we are talking more than likely chemical or plastics. Don't need much. However the WTC has a maze of utility areas.

Bomb squad isn't going to come in and dismantle every new appliance installed in any building.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Really they are? Proof please. I am pretty sure that people worth a lot of money diversify their funds, and invest in foreign funds. Maybe I am just an idiot though.

that went over your head. Please review the market right before 9/11.

KTHX.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Okay so you can read blueprints and structrual diagrams. Welcome to ATOT most of us can here as well. All that means is you have a little more knowledge of the subject then say CasioTech. Want a cookie? That still doesn't give your agreement of Jessi Ventura any more credability.

No like you, most think they can do things. I have done these very things already, live and in business...not some lab or on some pirated copy of a piece of software I torrented and think after 30 mins makes me an expert.

again you are either trolling or really oblivious, which is why I didn't reply YESTERDAY.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
How many other 110 story square buildings built like this hit by planes have you seen come down? I have not seen one thing YET that says steel melted. If you find something credible that shows it melted please let me know, because nothing has said that I have seen. All of it says the fires ranged between 800-1500 with spikes up to 1800 degrees F. Steel loses a lot of integrity the hotter it gets. If you have done any kind of first hand structural experiments you would see that almost any material loses strength the hotter it gets. Unless you mean the Unobtanium they mixed in with that specific steel.

It's been hit before, so have other buildings. Other building have had fires like this as well. They don't come down like that though. It's a great story how it happened though.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
But you buy that either the government/private companies/person/group/whatever crafted some complex web of "controlled demolition" that leveled the towers? If you don't buy that they pancaked you might want to go look at the footage of them collapsing. Sure as hell looks like they pancaked to me. Please tell me what it was if not pancaking.

Oolong?

Do you think the Great Depression was random too? Nothing to do with the government either...

You have been duped.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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*facepalm*

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Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
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When someone is Pizzowned we do not continue conversation with them. We snicker and laugh at them and let them go play in the corner by themselves.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Turin39789
When someone is Pizzowned we do not continue conversation with them. We snicker and laugh at them and let them go play in the corner by themselves.

sorry your parent's stopped talking to you...seriously you have owned yourself too many times to even comment on it.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Turin39789
When someone is Pizzowned we do not continue conversation with them. We snicker and laugh at them and let them go play in the corner by themselves.

sorry your parent's stopped talking to you...seriously you have owned yourself too many times to even comment on it.

No, I think that delightful honor belongs to you.
 
Dec 26, 2007
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Let me reply to your: 1) hopefully just trolling, or 2) lack of understanding.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

What do you propose then? Every other "Truther" has said it is a GOVERNMENT conspiracy. So fine if it's not the government then who is it? The Big Bad Wolf coming to implode our buildings?

ahh truther...this is new to me but the new ATOT kiddie word like douche.

No one knows who did it / behind it; that's the point.


Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Ok so you don't know what "controlled" means do you? A pallet of explosives would be anything BUT controlled. Thank you for shooting your own theory down though.

Assuming you meant a pallets worth of bulk explosives (had to get in the bulk reference :)) and then they were planted throughout the building, do some research into controlled demo jobs before you say thats how it was done.

It would only take about a pallet of them BROUGHT into the building and PLACED within it. I swear you really don't understand the situation and feel you are somehow smart enough to get by in replying to it the way you THINK things would happen.

We aren't talking dynamite and someone with a plunger.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Well I don't know about who you think would dismantle a bomb, but my first choice is the bomb squad. Also an explosive that size wouldn't have had enough of an effect to bring down the towers unless you placed a TON of them.

It was an example I used. Maybe one is disguised as an emergency light, some more placed inside a water fountain...some more strapped under a sink .... we are talking more than likely chemical or plastics. Don't need much. However the WTC has a maze of utility areas.

Bomb squad isn't going to come in and dismantle every new appliance installed in any building.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Really they are? Proof please. I am pretty sure that people worth a lot of money diversify their funds, and invest in foreign funds. Maybe I am just an idiot though.

that went over your head. Please review the market right before 9/11.

KTHX.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Okay so you can read blueprints and structrual diagrams. Welcome to ATOT most of us can here as well. All that means is you have a little more knowledge of the subject then say CasioTech. Want a cookie? That still doesn't give your agreement of Jessi Ventura any more credability.

No like you, most think they can do things. I have done these very things already, live and in business...not some lab or on some pirated copy of a piece of software I torrented and think after 30 mins makes me an expert.

again you are either trolling or really oblivious, which is why I didn't reply YESTERDAY.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
How many other 110 story square buildings built like this hit by planes have you seen come down? I have not seen one thing YET that says steel melted. If you find something credible that shows it melted please let me know, because nothing has said that I have seen. All of it says the fires ranged between 800-1500 with spikes up to 1800 degrees F. Steel loses a lot of integrity the hotter it gets. If you have done any kind of first hand structural experiments you would see that almost any material loses strength the hotter it gets. Unless you mean the Unobtanium they mixed in with that specific steel.

It's been hit before, so have other buildings. Other building have had fires like this as well. They don't come down like that though. It's a great story how it happened though.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
But you buy that either the government/private companies/person/group/whatever crafted some complex web of "controlled demolition" that leveled the towers? If you don't buy that they pancaked you might want to go look at the footage of them collapsing. Sure as hell looks like they pancaked to me. Please tell me what it was if not pancaking.

Oolong?

Do you think the Great Depression was random too? Nothing to do with the government either...

You have been duped.

I give up on you, you won't believe facts no matter how wrong you are about them. Ns1 says it best.

Originally posted by: Ns1
*facepalm*

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*facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm*
*facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm*
*facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm*
*facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm**facepalm*

PS. I will wait for the CasioTech like reply along the lines of "see I won, I beat you because you won't debate it with me anymore."
 

So

Lifer
Jul 2, 2001
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Let me reply to your: 1) hopefully just trolling, or 2) lack of understanding.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

What do you propose then? Every other "Truther" has said it is a GOVERNMENT conspiracy. So fine if it's not the government then who is it? The Big Bad Wolf coming to implode our buildings?

ahh truther...this is new to me but the new ATOT kiddie word like douche.

No one knows who did it / behind it; that's the point.


Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Ok so you don't know what "controlled" means do you? A pallet of explosives would be anything BUT controlled. Thank you for shooting your own theory down though.

Assuming you meant a pallets worth of bulk explosives (had to get in the bulk reference :)) and then they were planted throughout the building, do some research into controlled demo jobs before you say thats how it was done.

It would only take about a pallet of them BROUGHT into the building and PLACED within it. I swear you really don't understand the situation and feel you are somehow smart enough to get by in replying to it the way you THINK things would happen.

We aren't talking dynamite and someone with a plunger.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Well I don't know about who you think would dismantle a bomb, but my first choice is the bomb squad. Also an explosive that size wouldn't have had enough of an effect to bring down the towers unless you placed a TON of them.

It was an example I used. Maybe one is disguised as an emergency light, some more placed inside a water fountain...some more strapped under a sink .... we are talking more than likely chemical or plastics. Don't need much. However the WTC has a maze of utility areas.

Bomb squad isn't going to come in and dismantle every new appliance installed in any building.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Really they are? Proof please. I am pretty sure that people worth a lot of money diversify their funds, and invest in foreign funds. Maybe I am just an idiot though.

that went over your head. Please review the market right before 9/11.

KTHX.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Okay so you can read blueprints and structrual diagrams. Welcome to ATOT most of us can here as well. All that means is you have a little more knowledge of the subject then say CasioTech. Want a cookie? That still doesn't give your agreement of Jessi Ventura any more credability.

No like you, most think they can do things. I have done these very things already, live and in business...not some lab or on some pirated copy of a piece of software I torrented and think after 30 mins makes me an expert.

again you are either trolling or really oblivious, which is why I didn't reply YESTERDAY.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
How many other 110 story square buildings built like this hit by planes have you seen come down? I have not seen one thing YET that says steel melted. If you find something credible that shows it melted please let me know, because nothing has said that I have seen. All of it says the fires ranged between 800-1500 with spikes up to 1800 degrees F. Steel loses a lot of integrity the hotter it gets. If you have done any kind of first hand structural experiments you would see that almost any material loses strength the hotter it gets. Unless you mean the Unobtanium they mixed in with that specific steel.

It's been hit before, so have other buildings. Other building have had fires like this as well. They don't come down like that though. It's a great story how it happened though.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
But you buy that either the government/private companies/person/group/whatever crafted some complex web of "controlled demolition" that leveled the towers? If you don't buy that they pancaked you might want to go look at the footage of them collapsing. Sure as hell looks like they pancaked to me. Please tell me what it was if not pancaking.

Oolong?

Do you think the Great Depression was random too? Nothing to do with the government either...

You have been duped.

You know what? I'm sick of you truthers. Sick of repeating the same facts. Sick of pointing out the obvious flaws in your logic. Sick of hearing how I'm too blind to hear the "Truth". I gave the Truther story a fair hearing when it first came around -- many of the claims are based on a total failure to understand physics, others are based on the misguided idea that the government is much more competent than it actually is. No more. It's obvious that the whole thing is a scam and parading such mouth-sh*t around is simply a slap in the face to the victims of the REAL monsters behind it.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: So

You know what? I'm sick of you truthers. Sick of repeating the same facts. Sick of pointing out the obvious flaws in your logic. Sick of hearing how I'm too blind to hear the "Truth". I gave the Truther story a fair hearing when it first came around -- many of the claims are based on a total failure to understand physics, others are based on the misguided idea that the government is much more competent than it actually is. No more. It's obvious that the whole thing is a scam and parading such mouth-sh*t around is simply a slap in the face to the victims of the REAL monsters behind it.

that's a lot of anger you have there.

I am not saying this had anything to do with the government.

I am not so afraid of life though that I have to know my leaders are always looking out for me as well as my neighbors.

The public has been duped many times in the past, the thing is when it's discovered there isn't much we can do about it a la the Depression.

A few dudes profit at the sake of a nation and not much changed except them making even more profits by cleaning up their mess.

War is about the most profitable and easy money in the game.
 

eits

Lifer
Jun 4, 2005
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www.integratedssr.com
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the fucking fire burning in the building and two 110 story buildings collapsing nearby with enough of an impact to be noticeable on a seismograph? Why don't you propose a theory or stfu.

really? you think that because of some seismic waves, a building collapsed at free fall?

if that's the case, how the hell do buildings surrounding a demolition site survive?

get a brain, moran.
 

ElFenix

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Super Moderator
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Originally posted by: alkemyst

It was an example I used. Maybe one is disguised as an emergency light, some more placed inside a water fountain...some more strapped under a sink .... we are talking more than likely chemical or plastics. Don't need much. However the WTC has a maze of utility areas.

Bomb squad isn't going to come in and dismantle every new appliance installed in any building.

so somehow someone managed to sneak tons and tons of bombs into the WTC disguised as ficus plants and desk chairs, planted them all over the place, and did this over months and months? and then, after convincing some arabs to fly airplanes into the building, detonated only the bombs on the particular floors, none of which made any sound?

right.
 

BeauJangles

Lifer
Aug 26, 2001
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: So

You know what? I'm sick of you truthers. Sick of repeating the same facts. Sick of pointing out the obvious flaws in your logic. Sick of hearing how I'm too blind to hear the "Truth". I gave the Truther story a fair hearing when it first came around -- many of the claims are based on a total failure to understand physics, others are based on the misguided idea that the government is much more competent than it actually is. No more. It's obvious that the whole thing is a scam and parading such mouth-sh*t around is simply a slap in the face to the victims of the REAL monsters behind it.

that's a lot of anger you have there.

I am not saying this had anything to do with the government.

I am not so afraid of life though that I have to know my leaders are always looking out for me as well as my neighbors.

The public has been duped many times in the past, the thing is when it's discovered there isn't much we can do about it a la the Depression.

A few dudes profit at the sake of a nation and not much changed except them making even more profits by cleaning up their mess.

War is about the most profitable and easy money in the game.

This post is such a cop-out. You started this whole thread premised on the fact that 9/11 was a conspiracy, you then spent pages and pages trying to convince people that you were right. You wasted my time while I dug up images, quotes, and analysis that proved you wrong and then you summarily refuse to answer any of the points I've brought up or further your argument in any other way.

To add insult to injury, you now claim that there is some vague nebulous conspiracy while denying that you ever said anything other than a plane hit the Pentagon.

Show me any evidence whatsoever that 9/11 was a conspiracy.
 

geno

Lifer
Dec 26, 1999
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
there is no reply needed for *facepalm* man...

you are definitly trolling.

And you aren't? You keep dropping the idea of the Great Depression as "no accident" waiting for someone to bite so you can sit there and ignore any substantial points made while saying we're blind to the truth.

It's beyond comical you're calling someone else a troll.
 

CasioTech

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the 9/11 was staged for the same reason pearl harbor was, to start a war which will profit us trillions upon trillions of dollars and to get our hands on oil and further establish our position in globalization. Nothing is more profitable than war and we made tons of our money during WWII.


9/11 also made the countries real estate market quadruple until it ultimately crashed. Another brilliant move by our govt.

as for who flew the planes there could be numerous theories, for one remote controlled, convicts who were offered the chance to have their families taken care of, the list goes on and on. The accused hijackers had nothing to do with the hijacking.


*awaits being called a 'moran'.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: CasioTech
the 9/11 was staged for the same reason pearl harbor was, to start a war which will profit us trillions upon trillions of dollars and to get our hands on oil and further establish our position in globalization. Nothing is more profitable than war and we made tons of our money during WWII.


9/11 also made the countries real estate market quadruple until it ultimately crashed. Another brilliant move by our govt.

as for who flew the planes there could be numerous theories, for one remote controlled, convicts who were offered the chance to have their families taken care of, the list goes on and on. The accused hijackers had nothing to do with the hijacking.


*awaits being called a 'moran'.

moran


I got a much better "theory", that a buncha dudes wanted to start some shit, so they hijacked some mother fucking planes and flew it into some goddamn buildings. I think my "theory" is much more plausible than yours.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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holy fuckballs, this thread is going to turn into everything the large hardon collider wasn't.
 

MotF Bane

No Lifer
Dec 22, 2006
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Originally posted by: Ns1
holy fuckballs, this thread is going to turn into everything the large hardon collider wasn't.

A means to gather every nutcase in one small area?
 

Josh

Lifer
Mar 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: CasioTech
the 9/11 was staged for the same reason pearl harbor was, to start a war which will profit us trillions upon trillions of dollars and to get our hands on oil and further establish our position in globalization. Nothing is more profitable than war and we made tons of our money during WWII.


9/11 also made the countries real estate market quadruple until it ultimately crashed. Another brilliant move by our govt.

as for who flew the planes there could be numerous theories, for one remote controlled, convicts who were offered the chance to have their families taken care of, the list goes on and on. The accused hijackers had nothing to do with the hijacking.


*awaits being called a 'moran'.

*awaits our country profiting trillions.

and everyone really needs to stop responding to alkemyst - he obviously has been proven to be a fucking dumbass