Interesting thought on abortion/miscarriages

[JohnOfSheffield]

Depends on who the miscarriage happens to. If it was a black woman, no one cares about dead black kids and it would be a non-issue along with the thousands of dead gang members annually. If it's a yuppie white couple, the entire resources of a CSI department will probably be unleashed in an investigation.

Yeah, totalitarian wasn't enough, go for the racism too.

You poor retarded sonofabitch.

 

[TheSiege]

Oh snap, the south strikes again
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/mississippi-miscarriages-supreme-court_n_3327974.html

 

[bradly1101]

Yup. Those types of people have no responsibility. And their kids pay the price. Either in the womb or not.

Yeah. Poor, hungry, hopeless, lonely people are the worst.

Truly I wonder why we treat human life as so precious when we don't treat any other that way.

Oops did I say human life is precious? That doesn't take into account murder, suicide and war.

 

[Patranus]

He's right, you just keep changing the subject dipsheit and you'll end up somewhere at some point where you can pretend you were correct.

Just shut the FUCK up and stop embargoing yourself. "embargoing" was supposed to be embarrassing but it fits well enough, doesn't it you daft wise and beautiful woman?

Where did I say that?
I understand the risk every time I have sex and mitigate that risk by taking proper precautions.

All I said was the majority of abortions are elective - which they are - and the result of failure of adequate and proper birth control methods - again, which they are.

 

[Paratus]

If these two cells were found by a rover on Mars, would it be called life or not? I can imagine an image on CNN that shows some room at NASA with people jumping up and down saying they found life. I didn't say there was a consciousness to it or not. A brain-dead person is life, but not consciousness. A 1 month old baby is life, but are they really self aware and conscious? Not really. Where do you draw the line? At birth? At conception? When the fetus is in the 2nd trimester? 1 year of age?

I say life begins at conception, right now its defined when the fetus exits the vagina. But a baby will die without its mother. What happens 1 day before birth? It's not alive? At some point, people will get it. When people decide to take responsibility for their actions.

Well you can say life starts at conception but you would be wrong. Both the sperm and the egg are alive before conception. You can argue that's its a new life, but unlike a born child who is a single life, a fertilized egg maybe twins or more. That's a significant difference.

The biggest difference and the moral trap laid by the OP is that if you legally state a fertilized egg is equivalent to a child attempting to have a child becomes unethical and immoral. Half of all fertilized eggs fail to implant and spontaneously abort. In the OPs world these are now dead children. No one has the right to endanger a child simply to fulfill a selfish want.

If I can't go to an adoption clinic with a half loaded revolver and play Russian roulette with children until I hit an empty cylinder and take the lucky child home, then I shouldn't be allowed to put a child through the pregnancy processes which will kill half of them just because I want one.

As a father of three this would make us a killer of children, which I refuse to accept.

 

[HomerJS]

Life does begin at conception. I don't need a legal manual to tell me that. That is when the unique DNA is formed. But anyways.

No, I don't think a miscarriage needs to be investigated if abortions were outlawed. The main reason is this: The point of outlawing abortion is to prevent idiots from using abortion as a form of birth control. There was a Seattle study done for women who aborted. The conclusion was this: Less than 10% of abortions that were performed were because of what I would consider legit reasons for abortion. 90% is because "I didn't have the money", "Baby daddy left me", "I didn't want the responsibility", "I was too young." Etc etc etc.

The reason people want to make abortion illegal is to force people to use their brains before they go and create a baby in which needs to be destroyed. How many parents would be in jail if they killed their child at 3 years old for the exact same reasons above? Why is it that it's still a fetus somehow makes it ok? Because it's just a fetus? It's just stupidity.

I know when I have a sex, the result can be a baby. If I'm not prepared for that, I either 1) don't have sex, 2) use birth control. Option 3) abort should not even be on the list of items. if choice #2 was used, and resulted in a baby. Well! I guess I rolled the dice and lost. But again, abortion should not be an option. Time to man up.

If you can just get rid of your child because your partner broke up with you or left you should not be a reason to eliminate your child. And if I remember right, that was over 50% in the survey results. If we were talking about a dog that was adopted, it even sounds ridiculous, and that is a pet. "I gave away my dog to the humane society because my bf broke up with me."

I don't think most people who want to outlaw abortion care much about the 10%, they care about the 90%...

Absent a preponderance of the scientific community your assertion is either a hunch or a religious conviction. You are entitled to your opinion but others should not be obligated to the same. Besides the last time congress attempted to legislate when life begins or ends we got Terry Schivo

 

[bradly1101]

Where should we obtain our collective morals from. The Courts? Legislatures (isn't it even more local than that?)? Churches (which one?)? Ourselves? Books from the distant past?

We have all these tools, yet not one seems to fit this. So I respect a woman's right to choose. People don't make this choice lightly.

 

[ivwshane]

Actually, he's quite right.

My wife and I have been using BC since we've been married and no sign of a child. Of course nothing is full-proof. But just because something isn't full proof doesn't mean you don't bother using it, and 99% is a pretty sure bet, again, if properly used, that pregnancy is pretty much a non-issue.

It seems you're the one who never had sex or you'd know this.

Lol did you just say nothing is full proof? Lol you fucking moron just said the same thing I said, except since you or your wife hasn't gotten pregnant then in your mind it never happens. Contradiction much?

 

[ivwshane]

He's right, you just keep changing the subject dipsheit and you'll end up somewhere at some point where you can pretend you were correct.

Just shut the FUCK up and stop embargoing yourself. "embargoing" was supposed to be embarrassing but it fits well enough, doesn't it you daft wise and beautiful woman?

He's right? Preventative measures are 100% percent affective? So he's right women use it as a form of birth control? As in they think to themselves, "I don't need to use birth control, I'll just get an abortion"?



Shut the fuck up you fucking moron!

 

[ivwshane]

Where did I say that?
I understand the risk every time I have sex and mitigate that risk by taking proper precautions.

All I said was the majority of abortions are elective - which they are - and the result of failure of adequate and proper birth control methods - again, which they are.

He quoted me so I'm pretty sure it was directed at me.

Yes by that definition ALL abortions are elective. If a woman who is having medical complications with her pregnancy is told she will die if she continues to term it's still an elective procedure if she chooses to abort.

When people claim that women have abortions as a form of birth control they are saying women choose to use abortion over other forms of birth control and there is absolutely nothing about that claim that is based in reality.

 

[Patranus]

When people claim that women have abortions as a form of birth control they are saying women choose to use abortion over other forms of birth control and there is absolutely nothing about that claim that is based in reality.

Ok.
So you are saying that the majority of abortion related pregnancies are the result of failure of both the pill (or IUD ect) and condom use?

And in both instances the user of the pill (or IUD ect) and condom has read the included instructions and followed them the the tee?

I would wager a large sum of money that not a single abortion in the united states occurred because both the pill and a condom failed under proper use.

Thus, the abortion is 100% being used as a form of birth control because proper birth control was not use during conception.

 

[ivwshane]

Ok.
So you are saying that the majority of abortion related pregnancies are the result of failure of both the pill (or IUD ect) and condom use?

And in both instances the user of the pill (or IUD ect) and condom has read the included instructions and followed them the the tee?

I would wager a large sum of money that not a single abortion in the united states occurred because both the pill and a condom failed under proper use.

Thus, the abortion is 100% being used as a form of birth control because proper birth control was not use during conception.

So are you saying women who get abortions prefer them to using proper birth control?

 

[Retro Rob]

Lol did you just say nothing is full proof? Lol you fucking moron just said the same thing I said, except since you or your wife hasn't gotten pregnant then in your mind it never happens. Contradiction much?

Thanks for the breaking news, Einstein, BC isn't 100% effective -- NONE of us knew that!

 

[brandonb]

Absent a preponderance of the scientific community your assertion is either a hunch or a religious conviction.

I've only known 2 women personally who had abortions. One did not elaborate on why. I didn't ask. The other woman was the wife of my best friend, and I know that story.

They were married and were attempting to have kids. She was pregnant. They got into a fight one night and he left to stay with his parents to cool off. She decided that night or the next day (don't remember but it was when he left) to threaten him with "I will abort your kid if you don't come home." As some form of bargaining chip. He was like "FU" She went through with it and the baby was aborted.

At that point him officially separated because he didn't want to be with a woman like that, but 6 months later they got back together after they reconciled. Immediately after they reconciled they attempted to get pregnant and she did. She managed to carry this child until it was born.

All I can say is that is fucked up and IMHO she should have went to jail. To me that is no different than holding someone hostage, and demanding ransom or killing the hostage.

 

[TerryMathews]

I've only known 2 women personally who had abortions. One did not elaborate on why. I didn't ask. The other woman was the wife of my best friend, and I know that story.

They were married and were attempting to have kids. She was pregnant. They got into a fight one night and he left to stay with his parents to cool off. She decided that night or the next day (don't remember but it was when he left) to threaten him with "I will abort your kid if you don't come home." As some form of bargaining chip. He was like "FU" She went through with it and the baby was aborted.

At that point him officially separated because he didn't want to be with a woman like that, but 6 months later they got back together after they reconciled. Immediately after they reconciled they attempted to get pregnant and she did. She managed to carry this child until it was born.

All I can say is that is fucked up and IMHO she should have went to jail. To me that is no different than holding someone hostage, and demanding ransom or killing the hostage.

This is what is wrong with abortion.

I couldn't do this with my spouse's dog, why can I do it with my unborn child?

 

[Scotteq]

"Hey, hey, if they really want to get serious, what about all the sperm that are wasted when the state executes a condemned man, one of these pro-life guys who's watching cums in his pants, huh? Here's a guy standing over there with his jockey shorts full of little Vinnies and Debbies, and nobody's saying a word to the guy."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4TBGt5K0s8c

 

[ivwshane]

Thanks for the breaking news, Einstein, BC isn't 100% effective -- NONE of us knew that!

Lol, did you read the posts I was responding to?Apparently some people didn't know that.

Thanks jackass!

 

[Atreus21]

Say somehow life was defined as the point of conception. And that abortion was ruled illegal and fetuses are protected and all that jazz. Wouldn't every time a miscarriage happens there would need to be a police investigation? I mean a life would be lost right? I am not saying I advocate one way or another, but it seems like it would be an unintended consequence. Or is that just too ridiculous to believe that could happen?

Something tells me we should not criminalize women for bodily processes beyond their control.

 

[zinfamous]

Life does begin at conception. I don't need a legal manual to tell me that. That is when the unique DNA is formed. But anyways.

hehe. naw.

besides, legal manuals don't have much to say about "life," do they?

You should probably spend more time with Biology and Medicine, though. That might get you closer to seeking a more valid answer to this question.

 

[zinfamous]

Something tells me we should not criminalize women for bodily processes beyond their control.

something something, republicans and rape comments, something something.


basically, I agree with what you are saying; which is one of the reasons that I am not a republican.

 

[Atreus21]

something something, republicans and rape comments, something something.


basically, I agree with what you are saying; which is one of the reasons that I am not a republican.

What does this have to do with rape?

 

[Paratus]

Something tells me we should not criminalize women for bodily processes beyond their control.

So your argument is pregnancy is beyond a women's control? Well so much for being responsible.

 

[TerryMathews]

Something tells me we should not criminalize women for bodily processes beyond their control.

So do you agree we should criminalize women for processes within their control.

Let's say Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Should women be punished for doing that to their babies?

 

[ivwshane]

So your argument is pregnancy is beyond a women's control? Well so much for being responsible.

I think he was referring to miscarriages, which are indeed not controlled by the woman.

 

[Paratus]

Something tells me we should not criminalize women for bodily processes beyond their control.

So your arguments is pregnancy is beyond a women's control? Well so much for being responsible.


Or are you saying treating a fertilized egg as a child is idiotic?