Interesting the generalizations people are willing to make of the new President elect

[bozack]

So on my ride in I flipped on Imus as there was nothing else on and happend to catch the latter end of an interview with Michael Beschloss, American historian who focuses on Presidents and their administrations/tenure.

What got me as funny was Mr. Beschloss repeately referred to Obama's IQ level and his intelligence, and on at least two occasions referred to him as having the highest IQ and being the most Intelligent president in history...however when asked specifically what Obama's IQ was he said that he did not know.

Now I am all for giving credit where it is due, and I will be the first to say that Obama's education speaks for itself and that he is very articulate...however I remember back to when Kerry was running how people were quick to say that he was of the highest intelligence yet when his GPA was published he wasn't that great of a student...

Just find it "interesting" how willing people are to assume things based on zero evidence.

Thoughts...or was his IQ ever published?

 

[Tab]

It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

 

[retrospooty]

I dont know his grades or tested IQ rating... But I can tell by seeing him in several conversations/interviews (not scripted speaches) that the man is highly intelligent and very well grounded. Thats why he got my vote. Not the speaches, not the hype, not the "change"... But the fact that I think he can do the job in an intelligent and responsible fashion.

The way he is already taking the reins and planning top act on the economy while George Bush flounders and does little to nothing is proof enough for me that I was right.

 

[thirtythree]

Nowhere on the Internet can anyone locate Obama's IQ score. His college transcript from Harvard is not available and I cannot locate his GPA, his SAT score or his LSAT score or any other tangible proofs of his IQ score.

However, after doing a lot of research, these are the facts concerning Obama's LSAT score while attending Law School at Harvard University. We do not know his actual LSAT score; however, after much research, we found that the average LSAT score for all Harvard students is 171.

The percentile rank for an LSAT score of 171 at Harvard is 98.8 %.

MENSA will accept LSAT scores as a means of qualifying for MENSA membership. Please note that MENSA also accepts up to 200 various IQ tests and other tests of cognitive function as well.

The LSAT score required for MENSA membership is equal to a percentile of 95% or higher. Thus, basing Obama's estimated LSAT score of 171 ranks him in the top 98.8% (percent/percentile) range which is clearly above the lowest acceptable LSAT percentage rank of 95%, which clearly affirms that Obama has a qualifying intelligence quotient that would allow him acceptance into MENSA.

Since MENSA accepts various IQ Tests as well as other cognitive tests to qualify for MENSA membership it is safe to estimate that Obama's IQ Score could range anywhere from a low IQ score of 130 based on the Stanford Binet IQ Test, Revision 5, to a high IQ score of 148 based on the Cattell IQ Test. Note both of these tests are acceptable tests that MENSA will accept for membership.

To validate this source, I went to the USA MENSA Home Page and double checked my research and MENSA has a page to verify my findings. The page can be verified by this link: Qualifying Test Scores that MENSA accepts.

Another interesting fact about Obama is that he graduated from Harvard Law School with the honor of Magna Cum Laude which according to the Wikipedia definition,

"Magna Cum Laude is graduating with great praise; an honor added to a diploma or degree for work considered greatly above average."

Even though we cannot pin point Obama's IQ Score, it is safe to assume that he has a high enough IQ score to be accepted into MENSA. Of course that is if he wanted to join MENSA.

Slightly sketchy?

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120 is average?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120 is average?

On AT... of course..

Just like being 6'3'', completely ripped, having a supermodel girlfriend and earning $250,000 a year.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120 is average?

120 is way above average. I believe average is actually under 100, maybe around 90-95. I could be wrong though.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120 is average?

On AT... of course..

Just like being 6'3'', completely ripped, having a supermodel girlfriend and earning $250,000 a year.

Filing next year as $249,999 now that Obama is pres actually

 

[thirtythree]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120 is average?

On AT... of course..

Just like being 6'3'', completely ripped, having a supermodel girlfriend and earning $250,000 a year.

Filing next year as $249,999 now that Obama is pres actually

Isn't the tax increase for income OVER $250,000?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: thirtythree

Nowhere on the Internet can anyone locate Obama's IQ score. His college transcript from Harvard is not available and I cannot locate his GPA, his SAT score or his LSAT score or any other tangible proofs of his IQ score.

However, after doing a lot of research, these are the facts concerning Obama's LSAT score while attending Law School at Harvard University. We do not know his actual LSAT score; however, after much research, we found that the average LSAT score for all Harvard students is 171.

The percentile rank for an LSAT score of 171 at Harvard is 98.8 %.

MENSA will accept LSAT scores as a means of qualifying for MENSA membership. Please note that MENSA also accepts up to 200 various IQ tests and other tests of cognitive function as well.

The LSAT score required for MENSA membership is equal to a percentile of 95% or higher. Thus, basing Obama's estimated LSAT score of 171 ranks him in the top 98.8% (percent/percentile) range which is clearly above the lowest acceptable LSAT percentage rank of 95%, which clearly affirms that Obama has a qualifying intelligence quotient that would allow him acceptance into MENSA.

Since MENSA accepts various IQ Tests as well as other cognitive tests to qualify for MENSA membership it is safe to estimate that Obama's IQ Score could range anywhere from a low IQ score of 130 based on the Stanford Binet IQ Test, Revision 5, to a high IQ score of 148 based on the Cattell IQ Test. Note both of these tests are acceptable tests that MENSA will accept for membership.

To validate this source, I went to the USA MENSA Home Page and double checked my research and MENSA has a page to verify my findings. The page can be verified by this link: Qualifying Test Scores that MENSA accepts.

Another interesting fact about Obama is that he graduated from Harvard Law School with the honor of Magna Cum Laude which according to the Wikipedia definition,

"Magna Cum Laude is graduating with great praise; an honor added to a diploma or degree for work considered greatly above average."

Even though we cannot pin point Obama's IQ Score, it is safe to assume that he has a high enough IQ score to be accepted into MENSA. Of course that is if he wanted to join MENSA.

Slightly sketchy?

That's beyond sketchy. LSAT scores are not directly correlated to IQ. Admissions into law school can be heavily influenced by factors other than the LSAT score.

I respect that Obama graduated Magna from one of the top law schools, and it probably means he's pretty smart, but it's not truly definitive of his IQ.

In my experience, there is a huge difference between people who are smart, and people who are willing to actually use their brains. Sometimes the two overlap, but not always.

OP's right. Sometimes people believe strongly in things with zero evidence. It's human nature, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be avoided.

 

[dphantom]

Average IQ is between 90-110.

Average IQ

 

[ElFenix]

damnit my LSAT is a point lower than harvard's

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: thirtythree

Nowhere on the Internet can anyone locate Obama's IQ score. His college transcript from Harvard is not available and I cannot locate his GPA, his SAT score or his LSAT score or any other tangible proofs of his IQ score.

However, after doing a lot of research, these are the facts concerning Obama's LSAT score while attending Law School at Harvard University. We do not know his actual LSAT score; however, after much research, we found that the average LSAT score for all Harvard students is 171.

The percentile rank for an LSAT score of 171 at Harvard is 98.8 %.

MENSA will accept LSAT scores as a means of qualifying for MENSA membership. Please note that MENSA also accepts up to 200 various IQ tests and other tests of cognitive function as well.

The LSAT score required for MENSA membership is equal to a percentile of 95% or higher. Thus, basing Obama's estimated LSAT score of 171 ranks him in the top 98.8% (percent/percentile) range which is clearly above the lowest acceptable LSAT percentage rank of 95%, which clearly affirms that Obama has a qualifying intelligence quotient that would allow him acceptance into MENSA.

Since MENSA accepts various IQ Tests as well as other cognitive tests to qualify for MENSA membership it is safe to estimate that Obama's IQ Score could range anywhere from a low IQ score of 130 based on the Stanford Binet IQ Test, Revision 5, to a high IQ score of 148 based on the Cattell IQ Test. Note both of these tests are acceptable tests that MENSA will accept for membership.

To validate this source, I went to the USA MENSA Home Page and double checked my research and MENSA has a page to verify my findings. The page can be verified by this link: Qualifying Test Scores that MENSA accepts.

Another interesting fact about Obama is that he graduated from Harvard Law School with the honor of Magna Cum Laude which according to the Wikipedia definition,

"Magna Cum Laude is graduating with great praise; an honor added to a diploma or degree for work considered greatly above average."

Even though we cannot pin point Obama's IQ Score, it is safe to assume that he has a high enough IQ score to be accepted into MENSA. Of course that is if he wanted to join MENSA.

Slightly sketchy?

Then why doesn't he release it? Why doesn't he release his SAT score?

My guess is that it sucked, and sucked big time. Remember, he only got into Occidental college, a 5th rate liberal arts private school in the Los Angeles area. I would not be surprised if he got into Harvard Law through affirmative action.

 

[thirtythree]

Originally posted by: JS80
Then why doesn't he release it? Why doesn't he release his SAT score?

My guess is that it sucked, and sucked big time. Remember, he only got into Occidental college, a 5th rate liberal arts private school in the Los Angeles area. I would not be surprised if he got into Harvard Law through affirmative action.

Yeah, I bet he graduated Magna Cum Laude through affirmative action too. He seems intelligent enough to get into Harvard to me.

 

[CanOWorms]

I think that Clinton was the most intelligent president. His academic background one-ups Obama with a Rhodes Scholarship. But this is like comparing $1,000,000,000 with $1,000,000,001.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: thirtythree

Originally posted by: JS80
Then why doesn't he release it? Why doesn't he release his SAT score?

My guess is that it sucked, and sucked big time. Remember, he only got into Occidental college, a 5th rate liberal arts private school in the Los Angeles area. I would not be surprised if he got into Harvard Law through affirmative action.

Yeah, I bet he graduated Magna Cum Laude through affirmative action too. He seems intelligent enough to get into Harvard to me.

the LSAT score was the weakest predictor of law school success

http://www.law21.ca/2008/10/15...s-of-lawyer-education/

So here?s what we have: evidence, often compelling, that:

1. LSAT scores don?t tell you much about whether someone will be a good law student,
2. Publishing credentials don?t tell you anything about whether someone will be a good law professor, and
3. Law school marks don?t tell you anything about whether someone will be a good lawyer.

 

[thirtythree]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: thirtythree

Originally posted by: JS80
Then why doesn't he release it? Why doesn't he release his SAT score?

My guess is that it sucked, and sucked big time. Remember, he only got into Occidental college, a 5th rate liberal arts private school in the Los Angeles area. I would not be surprised if he got into Harvard Law through affirmative action.

Yeah, I bet he graduated Magna Cum Laude through affirmative action too. He seems intelligent enough to get into Harvard to me.

the LSAT score was the weakest predictor of law school success

http://www.law21.ca/2008/10/15...s-of-lawyer-education/

So here?s what we have: evidence, often compelling, that:

1. LSAT scores don?t tell you much about whether someone will be a good law student,
2. Publishing credentials don?t tell you anything about whether someone will be a good law professor, and
3. Law school marks don?t tell you anything about whether someone will be a good lawyer.

Wait, what? What does the fact that LSAT scores aren't very predictive of law school success have to do with the suggestion that he got into law school through affirmative action?

P.S. I didn't defend the LSAT/IQ comparison. Just sharing what Google has to add to the debate. I even suggested that it was sketchy.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120+ is the top 12% or so

 

[miketheidiot]

i would say that 125-140 would be a rough range.

I figure the average around P&n is around 110-115 and at in general is about 105.

 

[Moonbeam]

I remember seeing a IQ test that claimed if you could answer one question your IQ was over 120. There were a hundred or so questions, I think.

Anyway I remember two.

Winter : Summer as Hybernate : ?

and

Teeth : Hen as Nest : ?

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
damnit my LSAT is a point lower than harvard's

Dang! You got me beat by 5 points then

<---- 165

 

[NTB]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Tab
It's probably 120, average. Just like everyone else.

120+ is the top 12% or so

Sounds right...for testing purposes, as I understand it, 100 is used as the baseline. Below 100 = below average, above 100 = above average.

As for what the *actual* average might be, I'm not sure.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: thirtythree
Yeah, I bet he graduated Magna Cum Laude through affirmative action too. He seems intelligent enough to get into Harvard to me.

Putting the honors aside I am curious as to why he seems intelligent enough, or is it simply because he is articulate and can carry himself well? again I remember the same arguments for kerry back during his race only to discover that his grades were near horrible.

I am all for giving credit where it is due, but for someone with such a short tenure as Obama, and no documented proof of anything I am hard pressed to say that for certain the guy is the next Stephen Hawking

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: JS80
Then why doesn't he release it? Why doesn't he release his SAT score?

My guess is that it sucked, and sucked big time. Remember, he only got into Occidental college, a 5th rate liberal arts private school in the Los Angeles area. I would not be surprised if he got into Harvard Law through affirmative action.

Funny how no one mentions this, that he transferred out of Occidental and into Columbia, IMHO alot different, and alot easier than being accepted into Columbia straight out of HS. Harvard Law is impressive, but its no Yale....

My point wasn't so much his IQ or his Education, but rather I am amazed at how willing people or rather his faithful are to build him up without any really evidence to support the claim...and what is even worse is the guy in this case is supposed to be an expert on the subject of presidential history...listening to the interview really made me shake my head at the amount of pure bias and preference there seems to be...on both sides.

 

[Fox5]

Didn't Obama have his undergrad and graduate GPAs published? I remember them being pretty high...

I'd guess that he's above average intelligence, but nothing spectacular, while also being a hard worker. He's also young and well-grounded in current issues so I think he'll do well.