Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
Republicans now endorse the judicial nominee filibuster!
Yes, that's one way to look at it.
The other is:
Dems who insisted upon the validity of the filibuster while in the minority now complain bitterly about it when in the majority. Hypocrisy?
Jeesh, they've got 58 seats (with 59 likely upon Franken being seated) in Congress and they can't pick up 2 'R votes' with the likes of Olympia Snowe, Collins and Specter etc?
Just how non-mainstream are these nominees?
With such a huge majority, any vote is merely ceremonial, thus the only vote Repub get in a filibuster. And they can only afford to lose 1 of their votes or they can't even do that. (and they can't even afford to lose even 1 vote if Fraken is seated)
I find it really hard to believe Obama can't nominate someone who is acceptible to at least 2 Repubs.
It sure can't be over abortion, several Repub Senators are pro-choice.
So what's the complaint with these nominees? Does anybody know?
Otherwise, not a big deal IMO; the Dems will soon have 59 votes anyway.
Fern
Except I see no evidence of the Democrats trying to remove the ability of the GOP to filibuster. Do you have any support for that? If not, then the two sides are not even remotely equal.
Nominees? Did you read the article? He's only nominated one so far. As for the extremity of their opinions, that doesn't matter. The Democrats confirmed the vast, vast majority of GWB's judicial appointments, only filibustering those they found way out in right field. The Republicans declared that was unconstitutional anyway, and so the fundamental point isn't changed at all.
The point of all this is not in terms of the Republicans being able to thwart Obama's agenda, they are far too weakened at this point to do much of that, it's to laugh at them for their unabashed, absolutely naked hypocrisy on an issue they deemed so important that they were willing to grind government to a halt in the past.
Fern seems to be unaware of the radical behavior of the Republicans, and of their record of huge hypocris and abuse of power on these matters.
For a couple of examples, you don't see him aware of the history when the Republicans forced President Clinton to submit every planned recess nominee in advance in writing to them so they could better organize opposition, by threatening to block *every nominee* he made as blackmail until he did. It worked. Of course, they abandon the practice immediately when Bush took office (I think that's the best phrase for Bush - 'took' office).
For another example, the Repuvlicans ended the many decades-old practice under both parties to let a state's Senators block a nominee if both Senators from the state made the request, by lowering the standard to only one Senator, for those states who only had one Repblican Senator. And as soon as they had the Senate under Bush - they ended that practice, too.
So Fern is just posting here not well informed, it seems, with a wide-eyed 'what's the problem' tone.
