Interesting discussion. I don't agree with it.

[alkemyst]

There was a discussion that came up last night...I don't really agree with it, but it was interesting none-the-less.

In our town there are only about 15% african americans/black people...about 20% or so spanish/latino and the rest white. Now of those arrested it's only 20% white people.

It's odd if everyone is really the same then why do the majority of people have the minority of arrests.

The guy said that it's because of two things...he stated and they are not racist, but they indeed were. The first was that 'they' (the blacks and spanish) don't know how to commit crimes properly...just look at how they can't even hold a regular job. The second was the police are not going to arrest a white guy usually...it's probably one of 'them' that are doing those arrests.

I went and looked up the stats and the guy was right on very few white people have been arrested out of the many that live here. Yet many of the minority people have that don't live here a lot.

The guy was still very racist regardless of his logic.

Just something profound.

 

[toekramp]

christ, what a retarded conversation.

hard times call for hard measures.

 

[FoBoT]

normally, i think, being arrested correlates to committing a crime

perhaps the people being arrested have committed crimes?
i think that is the criteria law enforcement is supposed to use

YMMV

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: toekramp
christ, what a retarded conversation.

hard times call for hard measures.

i'm nto even sure i understand wtf he's talking about. i think we need more info

 

[Fraggable]

I did a study on this in Cincinnati for a class at school, it turned out that, according to the US Census, Cincinnati's 23% african-american population comitted over 75% of the crimes reported.

Maybe some of it is the police's tendency to chase after or suspect blacks over whites, but it's not like that's the primary reason. I'd belive 1-2% of it was. The problem here is that every time police touch a black the city goes on the edge of rioting, so Cincinnati police actually - and this has been proven by interviews with police chiefs - hesitate to arrest a black anymore.

 

[Turin39789]

perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

 

[Fraggable]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

What's that got to do with it?

I think it's generally known that blacks tend to be the majority in lower-income classes. Why that is is a different discussion but I don't think low-income people have any more reason to commit crimes than middle-classes. And don't even act like whites keep black people from getting high-paying jobs because you know those cases would result in a lawsuit every time.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Originally posted by: Turin39789
perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

What's that got to do with it?

I think it's generally known that blacks tend to be the majority in lower-income classes. Why that is is a different discussion but I don't think low-income people have any more reason to commit crimes than middle-classes. And don't even act like whites keep black people from getting high-paying jobs because you know those cases would result in a lawsuit every time.

I meant that you should look at statistics of arrests based on socioeconomic class instead of arrests based on race. Race does not drive criminal behavior.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

well said sir. :thumbsup:

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

Ya, that's a very big part of it. A simple experiment would be to observe a town with nothing but white people consisting of mixed classes. I'm sure the results would prove that those in poverty who are generally considered "white trash" are the ones committing the majority of the crimes.

Another good experiment would be to mix a bunch of races where each race consisted of mixed classes. Again, I am sure the results would show that all of those in poverty from each race would be the ones committing most crimes.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

Pretty much.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

That would be another wrong answer though. Do only the lower class commit crimes?

Like I said I don't agree with this, but the guy had it all logically (in his eyes) figured out.

Cliffs were basically whites commit crimes too, but they are smart enough to not get caught. When they do get caught unless a minority cop is the arresting officer chances are they are let go.

I was just like whoa.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Turin39789
perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

That would be another wrong answer though. Do only the lower class commit crimes?

You'd have a tough time convincing me that of those that are arrested, the lower class doesn't make up a disproportionate amount.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

As politically incorrect as it sounds, black males commit a vastly disproportionately high number of crimes, particularly violent ones. This has been true since the Civil War. The cause is less clear and certainly open to debate.

 

[Laminator]

Why wouldn't the lower-class commit more crimes? They have more to gain and less to lose by committing crimes. If they are unable to find employment, then criminal activity may be the only way for them to support themselves.

Crimes committed by middle- and upper-class individuals would be more of the white-collar variety. Fraud, blackmail, extortion, identity theft, etc.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Turin39789
perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

That would be another wrong answer though. Do only the lower class commit crimes?

Like I said I don't agree with this, but the guy had it all logically (in his eyes) figured out.

Cliffs were basically whites commit crimes too, but they are smart enough to not get caught. When they do get caught unless a minority cop is the arresting officer chances are they are let go.

I was just like whoa.

So the only person who is going to arrest the white male meth cooker out in the hills of kentucky is going to be a minority cop?



like whoa!

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Laminator
If they are unable to find employment, then criminal activity may be the only way for them to support themselves.

If every fast food restaurant in my area is okay with hiring at least one kid that is clinically retarded then any person in poverty can get a job.

Many of those in poverty don't want jobs and are lazy. Hell, many of them will tell you that. I realize that there is a lot to talk about in this discussion and there are many reasons for this and that, but never let the world fool you into believing that each and every one of their lives was shaped primarily by the choices that they chose to make themselves despite any hardships they were forced to endure.

Life's not fair, but we all get plenty of chances to make it better.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Laminator
If they are unable to find employment, then criminal activity may be the only way for them to support themselves.

unemployment is very low and we have 12 million "guest" (illegals) workers that seem to have jobs. i think if they don't have a job, they don't want a job

the media/entertainment industry has raised everyones expectation unrealistically high so that people with no skills are not content to do menial tasks for low pay (or go to school and get some skills so they can get a better job)

it is a total break down of society, we are all doooooooooooooommeeeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneone


<note to self, pick up more ammo and more MRE's on the way home from work>

 

[nakedfrog]

Yes, I'd say the guy's argument WAS racist, but the statistics aren't due to racism.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

Exactly.

The only solution is to give minorities a bunch of money.
"I'm rich beotch!"

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Crime is predominantly committed by the lower/lower middle class. Minorities have a much greater chance of being in the lower/lower middle class. Because of this, both parents (or a single mother) tend to work more hours and spend less time at home with children. Unsupervised teenagers lead to more crime and continue the cycle of poverty and crime.

yup.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Originally posted by: Turin39789
perhaps you should examine your population percentages based on class/wealth vs race.

What's that got to do with it?

I think it's generally known that blacks tend to be the majority in lower-income classes. Why that is is a different discussion but I don't think low-income people have any more reason to commit crimes than middle-classes. And don't even act like whites keep black people from getting high-paying jobs because you know those cases would result in a lawsuit every time.

I meant that you should look at statistics of arrests based on socioeconomic class instead of arrests based on race. Race does not drive criminal behavior.

Well you'd be right in arrests...but not crimes. There are a lot of white collar crimes that get stricken from the record due to paying it out.

There is just as much crime at the top as there is at the bottom, only people feel bad when Joe CEO gets booked and has to leave his perfect wife and their 2.5 kids to do jail time. They think it's corporate america that deserves to get screwed.

However, when Joe the Mail Dude that lost his job due to cuts caused by Joe CEO's buying himself an Airstream with the company coffers and decides to rob your house for food money to pay his child support or just feed himself everyone wants him to get the electric chair.

I agree poor people commit crimes. It's not just because of race though, by luck of the draw or whatever; a lot of minorities are poor.

On top of that there are so many of these minority haters that themselves commit crimes and think nothing of it.

 

[Cattlegod]

congrats. you just did some basic statistical analysis and found out that race and crime are not correlated.