Interesting - Bin Laden is denying involvement.

[iamwiz82]

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Does anyone think he would edeny it if he was the culprit? I dont think he would. He wants to be a martyr, that seems to be his drive in life. So why deny something that will undoubtedly raise you to martyrdom? Why jeopardize this to live longer? It seems that most of the Islamic Fundamentalists will die at the drop of a hat, in their minds hoping to go to Allah.

Thoughts?

 

[hungrypete]

it's hard to say. He's going down regardless of his guilt in this matter, international terrorists are the enemy, and bin Laden is the prime target. He's either a coward, or he's realizing he may have just gotten a ton of Afghani citizens killed, or he really didn't do it.
Any which way, he's gonna be ready to fight.

 

[Argo]

He's at the point in his life where he'll die regardless of whether he did it or not.

 

[351Cleveland]

He knows we are coming. He probably never imagined the wrath that will be unleashed soon.... now he realizes the mistake he made.

 

[iamwiz82]

But, what if the US is looking for someone to blame, and they do not get the right person? Is that really justice???

 

[rgwalt]

He is guilty of many crimes against the US already, so by going after him, we are only covering our bases.

Ryan

 

[koryo]

He may be telling the truth in the sense that he runs a pretty decentralized operation, and maybe it was one of his acolytes that did it. This is why catching him will probably not help. He may be more of a figurehead than anything else. He has money, but a lot of it comes from other Saudis, and won't go away if he does.

Or he may be lying. If guys like him just wanted to get to Allah as fast as possible they'd all just strap bombs to themselves and go looking for an infidel to blow up. These guys aren't as one-dimensional as a lot of people here seem to think.

Bombing Afghanistan is a stupid idea. It might make us feel better for a couple of days, but it won't help. What we really need to do is turn to dirty tricks that don't make the news and don't cause civilian casualties. I hate to say that, but I don't think we have any other choice at this point. We need to fight terror with terror.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Even if he didn't do it, I'm sure he knows who did.

 

[Nitemare]

If he would have admitted to it, he would have signed his own death certificate. By saying he is innocent he at least has some support.

 

[ignorus]

if he gets killed, I hope it is something dumbarsed like slipping in the bathtub and hitting his head against the toilet (so he can't become a martyer).

 

[MikeO]

<< He probably never imagined the wrath that will be unleashed soon.... now he realizes the mistake he made. >>



He knew the consequences, no doubt about it. If he attacked US of course he knew US will come after him.

And if he did it, no fscking way he sees it as a mistake. You make him sound like an amateur which he definetly is not.

 

[PG]

Do you really expect him to admit it? If he admits it, then more Americans will support going after him. He wants us Americans to be divided. You are all doing exactly what he wants you to do.

Just give our goverment time to do their investigation. The truth will come out. I really believe that they will give us more info as time goes on to make sure that they have our support. In the mean time relax.

 

[StormRider]

Wasn't there a spooky "911 prophecy" on some usenet newsgroup about a "horrible 911 event" and then blaming and attacking "innocents" which will lead to a religious war?

My personal fear is that these radical Islamic terrorists want a religious war. Notice how the Taliban immediately called on all Islamic nations to come to their aid for a Jahid against the West if they are attacked by the US.

They want to establish a pure Islamic state all over the world. They hate the US because our culture and way of life threatens their beliefs.

Think about it, they think their religiion and God is the one true religion and God. But the fact that the US is the most economically and militarily powerful nation in the world must really bother them. If God is on their side, why are all their nations so "poor" and "weak" compared to the West? They must also hate the way our culture seems so appealing to young people. Everytime they see a woman not wearing a veil, they must be seething with angry and blame it on US culture. They think the US is the Great Satan because we are constantly corrupting their youth with our clothes, music and movies.

Because they are religious fanatics, they are the most dangerous. They think that God is on their side so they have no problem with starting WWIII -- because they think that in the end, God is on their side and they will win.

 

[ttn1]

koryo, I think you're right about the dirty tricks. If the US had an agent that could put cyanide on his Corn Flakes this morning, would the world be a better place? I tend to think so. Then we could deny any involvement in his death...

The truth is this is perfect martyrdom. The world is outraged, so he tells the world, i.e. media, he didn't do it. So the world isn't sure whether he should be killed or not. The people who are behind him know he did it and he becomes more of a hero to them. If he is killed by the US then he is raised to Godlike status, even more than he is now, among his followers. And the world can second guess whether the US actually had any proof to his guilt.

ttn1

 

[iamwiz82]

<< The truth is this is perfect martyrdom. The world is outraged, so he tells the world, i.e. media, he didn't do it. So the world isn't sure whether he should be killed or not. The people who are behind him know he did it and he becomes more of a hero to them. If he is killed by the US then he is raised to Godlike status, even more than he is now, among his followers. And the world can second guess whether the US actually had any proof to his guilt. >>




This is what i was thinking

 

[StormRider]

As someone mentioned, he was probably indirectly involved. He has a decentralized operation. Basically, he trains terrorists in his camp. From what I understand, he trains them in hand to hand combat (good for taking over airplanes with knives), bomb making and stuff like that.

After they are trained, he releases them into the world and says, "Go do whatever you want to do to kill Americans".

So, technically he is correct if he says "he never told them to destroy the WTC with airplanes". But morally, he was involved.

 

[ttn1]

<< They hate the US because our culture and way of life threatens their beliefs. >>



Stormrider, that is media retoric if I have ever heard it. It's has nothing to do with our culture or our way of life. At least in most cases.

It is our greed for oil that causes most of this hatred. It is the US to a large extent that made the Middle East rich and corrupt. It is also the reason we shove our noses in over there so much.

I'm not saying we brought this on ourselves, because nothing justifies the kind of crap that happened Tuesday, but the statement at the top of this post is just plain WRONG.

ttn1

 

[TonTo]

Who cares if he did it or not.
he's done stuff before that he deserved to die for.....

so, kill the bastard,
*shrugs*
we haven't had a good ground war in a long time

 

[StormRider]

<< Stormrider, that is media retoric if I have ever heard it. It's has nothing to do with our culture or our way of life. At least in most cases. >>



I'm not talking about the average Muslim or Arabic person. I'm talking about the religious Islamic fanatic terrorists.

I always found it strange that when things were looking hopeful in the Middle East Peace talks between Israel and the Palistinian people that Hamas and other terrorist groups continued to have suicide bombings in Israel in an attempt (that worked) to destablize the peace talks. These groups do not want peace.

 

[ttn1]

I agree Stormrider.

I also believe that this is Religious fanatic behaviour in general. Funny, I always thought that religion was a non-violent thing. It's almost amusing, not reelly, how much the fear of a wrathful GOD can make people completely irrational.

Look at abortion clinic bombings in the US. By Christian religious fanatic terrorists???

 

[rudder]

But, what if the US is looking for someone to blame, and they do not get the right person? Is that really justice???

He is already responsible for over 200 deaths from the embassy bombings in Africa, pluse the U.S.S. Cole bombing. If the U.S. kills him, then they have one of the men they are after.

If he dies, believe me, it will be justice.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< But, what if the US is looking for someone to blame, and they do not get the right person? Is that really justice???

He is already responsible for over 200 deaths from the embassy bombings in Africa, pluse the U.S.S. Cole bombing. If the U.S. kills him, then they have one of the men they are after.

If he dies, believe me, it will be justice. >>



yes, but the current bloodlust is not about the Cole or the embassy bombings. If these was really the issues, then Laden would be dead already, instead, he lives and kills.

 

[RSI]

<< Who cares if he did it or not.
he's done stuff before that he deserved to die for.....

so, kill the bastard,
*shrugs*
we haven't had a good ground war in a long time >>

You're sick.

Anyway, to comment on the post here: Of course he'll deny it. Would you admit it? I wouldn't. Everyone is pretty sure he's guilty, whether directly or indirectly so. Like a few of us here have pointed out, he's most likely trying to divide peoples' opinions. Some will think he shouldn't be killed, some will think he should be. People won't be so sure. But he's just messing with everyone's minds! Don't buy that BS.

-RSI

 

[Wallydraigle]

No terrorists are innocent, because, um well, they're terrorists. It's my understanding that they are all going to be taken out. Whether he did it this time or not is irrelevant. King Terrorist just makes a handy place to start.

 

[rudder]

yes, but the current bloodlust is not about the Cole or the embassy bombings. If these was really the issues, then Laden would be dead already, instead, he lives and kills.

I believe Clinton was preoccupied. He sent a few fire and forget missiles over at Bin laden. But I suppose he forgot about them.