Interesting Article: "Why Android Tablet Apps Suck and the iPad Wins"

[CVSiN]

You keep saying shit like this while millions of iPad users browse the web everyday just fine.

This thread has reached the tipping point; ggpo thread.

Ipad users are fucking sheep that don't know any better..

you GTFO..
Most are dumber than their devices..
just trying to be trendy.

NS1 you are one of the biggest brand trolls here.. so don't even give me shit.



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[cheezy321]

Wtf just happened in here?

Is there really someone who is still saying flash runs the web? 90% of websites use it? Does he not know that the very company that produces flash is not supporting it anymore? Does he not understand its a dead technology?

I am so confused

 

[Puddle Jumper]

His point was that OS X as a whole must suck solely because there are no AAA titles that get release on it (some get a simul-release, but no one does a Mac exclusive, certainly nothing AAA). Your point is that OS X suck for gaming. Which it does, the miles that it has come in the past few years notwithstanding.

Plenty of Apple fans always bring up how much better iOS is for gaming then Android yet the difference in available games for them is minor compared to the massive difference between OSX and Windows. Oddly enough many of those same Apple fans own Macs.

Android does at least get many of the popular iOS games but the same can't be said for OSX. There has never been a mac port of any of the modern Call Of Duty games which have all been massive hits. The same is true for the Battlefield, Mass Effect, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Batman Arkham ___ as well as many more.

The few Steam games that have made their way to OSX also run much worse than they would on the same hardware running Windows.

All of this applies to other software as well as games. Windows has millions more apps than OSX which makes the couple hundred thousand difference between iOS and Android seem very insignificant.

I don't understand why the experience would be any better than what it is by using an active digitizer. Its very precise as it is.

And IOS limitation is a good thing it keeps the apps compartmentalized .. which is why my iPad2 ran for 12 months (before I sold it) ... without a single reboot and without any lag. For that kind of solid secure performance, I am willing to put up with a few obstacles.

BTW, I would never jailbreak the iPad ... I have too many important information in there. In fact, Google also put out a bulletin urging Google Wallet users to not use a rooted device. Makes a lot of sense.

I've used plenty of different Capacitive pens and even the best are still like writing with a Sharpie. An active digitizer gets you the same level of precision you would get from a real pen. On some of the Android tablets you also get pressure sensitivity which makes the writing experience even better.

So being dependent on an awkward system of using the browser to transfer files to your device is a feature? My Android devices can browse my network shares just like a pc so I don't have to go running for my laptop every time I want to transfer another file to them.

 

[vulcanman]

I think CVSIN personifies the 'Limbaugh-technique' to claim a win.

The original post was to bring attention to the lack of credible competition in the "App" world. So how does the CVSIN's of the world react ? ... they claim that Apps are over-rated. Perhaps they may want to bring that to the attention of the execs running Amazon's Strategic Business team. Amazon would kill to have as many apps as Apple's Appstore.

 

[Ns1]

NS1 you are one of the biggest brand trolls here.. so don't even give me shit.

Sure thing mister 90% of the web is flash.

 

[TheStu]

Plenty of Apple fans always bring up how much better iOS is for gaming then Android yet the difference in available games for them is minor compared to the massive difference between OSX and Windows. Oddly enough many of those same Apple fans own Macs.

Android does at least get many of the popular iOS games but the same can't be said for OSX. There has never been a mac port of any of the modern Call Of Duty games which have all been massive hits. The same is true for the Battlefield, Mass Effect, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Batman Arkham ___ as well as many more.

The few Steam games that have made their way to OSX also run much worse than they would on the same hardware running Windows.

All of this applies to other software as well as games. Windows has millions more apps than OSX which makes the couple hundred thousand difference between iOS and Android seem very insignificant.

Ok, now I am back at square one. I have no idea what your point was. I thought I knew, but then you apparently took my comment as being against your point, and so I apparently have no idea.

What is your point or argument then?

 

[vulcanman]

Plenty of Apple fans always bring up how much better iOS is for gaming then Android

I don't care about games on either tablet. I find that the smaller screen size makes the experience rather silly compared to a large screen. So, for me, the argument is moot.

On some of the Android tablets you also get pressure sensitivity which makes the writing experience even better.

So ... we see it happening once again ... Android hardware is rather impressive with all its bells and whistles. But the apps (and the OS) are often buggy that you never get to take full advantage of the impressive hardware. My friend owns a 32GB Galaxy ... he religiously reboots it every couple of days because it slows down after extensive use. I blame Google for crappy code. I am pretty impressed with the Asus Transformer specs ... and if I had my way ... I would want to port IOS onto it.

So being dependent on an awkward system of using the browser to transfer files to your device is a feature? My Android devices can browse my network shares just like a pc so I don't have to go running for my laptop every time I want to transfer another file to them.

I have iTunes service running on my NAS and Goodreader does provide controlled access to Cloud services.

I certainly wish iPads came with SD / USB slots etc. Yes, that sucks. But on the flip side the positive experience in all other areas clearly makes it a winner.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Ok, now I am back at square one. I have no idea what your point was. I thought I knew, but then you apparently took my comment as being against your point, and so I apparently have no idea.

What is your point or argument then?

My point was there is a double standard when it comes to app and games. The same people who criticize Android for lacking those things tend to use a platform that has an even bigger disadvantage in those categories compared to the competition.

I'm not saying it's wrong to prefer OSX but it could be more than a little hypocritical for someone to prefer OSX while simultaneously criticizing Android for a lack of apps and games.

 

[MrX8503]

People coming up with irrelevant comparisons and analogies is making my head hurt. Apps on a mobile device is an entirely different playing field than a desktop. Lack of games on Macs isn't going to affect the OS as heavily as Android with the lack of apps.

A tablet is born with pre existing limitations so its dependence on apps is much greater than a desktop. There's no double standard, they're two different platforms with two different uses.

 

[vulcanman]

criticize Android for lacking those things tend to use a platform that has an even bigger disadvantage in those categories compared to the competition.

I am not sure you really made a case. Which of the specific Apps that the IOS users brag about ... have better and more stable replacements on Android. Again, I am not talking about games. Only Apps.

Android has better alternative to Goodreader and it is ...... <-- fill in the blanks

Android has better alternative to Educreations and it is ......

Android has better alternative to AutoCad WS and it is .......

Please share with us. If there is a genuinely better alternative in the Android world ... I would feel enlightened.

 

[Ns1]

I am not sure you really made a case. Which of the specific Apps that the IOS users brag about ... have better and more stable replacements on Android. Again, I am not talking about games. Only Apps.

Android has better alternative to Goodreader and it is ...... <-- fill in the blanks

Android has better alternative to Educreations and it is ......

Android has better alternative to AutoCad WS and it is .......

Please share with us. If there is a genuinely better alternative in the Android world ... I would feel enlightened.

<android>
Yeah well where's all the launcher apps? keyboard apps? widgets? HUH?

<apple>
why do you even need that shit?

<android>
CHOICES BITCH

<apple>
but...

<android>
but...

so on, and so forth...

 

[smartpatrol]

Have the Android fanboys gotten so desperate that they've created the "oh yeah? Well Windows has better games than OSX!!1" defense? You have to be fucking kidding me.

 

[TheStu]

My point was there is a double standard when it comes to app and games. The same people who criticize Android for lacking those things tend to use a platform that has an even bigger disadvantage in those categories compared to the competition.

I'm not saying it's wrong to prefer OSX but it could be more than a little hypocritical for someone to prefer OSX while simultaneously criticizing Android for a lack of apps and games.

Not to take things too off topic, but in my time using OS X, I have found positives and negatives, and with regards to the software catalog disparity... that is a line of... you get the idea.

There will always be someone that can name some piece of software that exists only on Windows and without which they cannot survive.* And that is fine, but for the majority of people the same software, or equivalents, are available on both OSes. You want Office? You got it. You want Photoshop? You got it. You want simple easy photo-management? You got it (iPhoto and Picasa). The list goes on. Where, IMO, the list starts to come apart is when you start looking at the catalog of software (admittedly, most of it costs money, which does neatly circle back to the iOS v Android thing**) that does one-thing-well (maybe a handful of things) but does it really, really well, and is clean and well designed and just generally a much nicer experience. Compare DaisyDisk to really any drive visualizer on Windows. Acorn and Coda as well. I would rather have a smaller collection of quality apps that do their jobs than a huge mess of software that looks like crap and often performs worse, or at least makes things incredibly difficult to do.

This seems to reinforce the concept that Android's smaller app catalog is A-OK, but remember I explicitly mentioned that is a smaller catalog of quality apps. All things being equal, the total catalog size matters a whole lot less if 499,000 of those 500K on iOS were fart apps and hello worlds. I would argue, and most of the internet seems to agree with me (hopefully most of this changes with ICS) that iOS has a higher ratio of quality to crap than Android. And that is the issue as I see it.


*I am not talking about corporate software either. That is an incestuous, ouroboros-esque relationship between the OEMs, MS and the software makers. Most businesses run Windows, therefore most business software is built only for Windows. This is helped along by the lower cost of entry for Windows compared to OS X.

**As has been pointed out repeatedly, backed up with concrete data and anecdotal evidence, people generally do not make any reasonable amount of money through Android. People actually pay for apps on iOS (though I would love to see a trial period instituted) and generally buy a lot of them. People get a lot of free apps on Android.

 

[vulcanman]

<android>
Yeah well where's all the launcher apps? keyboard apps? widgets? HUH?

<apple>
why do you even need that shit?

<android>
CHOICES BITCH

<apple>
but...

<android>
but...

so on, and so forth...

You totally sold me on that logic. In other words ... the kind of JOB you do does not matter much ... instead its what you wear and the car you drive that matters. I see.

But I will play nice and still like to offer another chance to name alternative Android apps.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I am not sure you really made a case. Which of the specific Apps that the IOS users brag about ... have better and more stable replacements on Android. Again, I am not talking about games. Only Apps.

Android has better alternative to Goodreader and it is ...... <-- fill in the blanks

Android has better alternative to Educreations and it is ......

Android has better alternative to AutoCad WS and it is .......

Please share with us. If there is a genuinely better alternative in the Android world ... I would feel enlightened.

1. Ezpdf. I Also before you ask Android does not require apps to directly support a given cloud service in order to use it.

2. I I have never used it so no comment.

3. AutoCad WS

Now I have a few Android apps that I would like to see an iOS equivalent for.

Tasker
Swype
ES File Explorer

Not to take things too off topic, but in my time using OS X, I have found positives and negatives, and with regards to the software catalog disparity... that is a line of... you get the idea.

There will always be someone that can name some piece of software that exists only on Windows and without which they cannot survive.* And that is fine, but for the majority of people the same software, or equivalents, are available on both OSes. You want Office? You got it. You want Photoshop? You got it. You want simple easy photo-management? You got it (iPhoto and Picasa). The list goes on. Where, IMO, the list starts to come apart is when you start looking at the catalog of software (admittedly, most of it costs money, which does neatly circle back to the iOS v Android thing**) that does one-thing-well (maybe a handful of things) but does it really, really well, and is clean and well designed and just generally a much nicer experience. Compare DaisyDisk to really any drive visualizer on Windows. Acorn and Coda as well. I would rather have a smaller collection of quality apps that do their jobs than a huge mess of software that looks like crap and often performs worse, or at least makes things incredibly difficult to do.

This seems to reinforce the concept that Android's smaller app catalog is A-OK, but remember I explicitly mentioned that is a smaller catalog of quality apps. All things being equal, the total catalog size matters a whole lot less if 499,000 of those 500K on iOS were fart apps and hello worlds. I would argue, and most of the internet seems to agree with me (hopefully most of this changes with ICS) that iOS has a higher ratio of quality to crap than Android. And that is the issue as I see it.


*I am not talking about corporate software either. That is an incestuous, ouroboros-esque relationship between the OEMs, MS and the software makers. Most businesses run Windows, therefore most business software is built only for Windows. This is helped along by the lower cost of entry for Windows compared to OS X.

**As has been pointed out repeatedly, backed up with concrete data and anecdotal evidence, people generally do not make any reasonable amount of money through Android. People actually pay for apps on iOS (though I would love to see a trial period instituted) and generally buy a lot of them. People get a lot of free apps on Android.

It's very debatable if OSX has superior apps compared to Windows. For example Visual Studio makes Xcode look like a bad joke in comparison and Office has always been better on Windows than OSX.

 

[vulcanman]

1. Ezpdf. I Also before you ask Android does not require apps to directly support a given cloud service in order to use it.

2. I I have never used it so no comment.

3. AutoCad WS

Now I have a few Android apps that I would like to see an iOS equivalent for.

Tasker
Swype
ES File Explorer



It's very debatable if OSX has superior apps compared to Windows. For example Visual Studio makes Xcode look like a bad joke in comparison and Office has always been better on Windows than OSX.

I have used ezPDF on a modded Touchpad. It no way comes close to what Goodreader does. Are you familiar with that app at all? ezPDF-like apps are dime a dozen on IOS and they are all free because they have very limited capability. Goodreader costs $5 and is the best app on my iPad.

There is nothing like EduCreations on Android ... which is why you will never be able to make a comparison.

ES File Explorer and the other programs you listed are Utilities. I was assuming you would list actual productive Apps that people use.

But if your idea of using a tablet is to arrange the widgets and get a kick out of Swyping ... then you made your point. IOS Apps are targeted at a different level audience. I expect consistently great performance without compromising sophistication or security. So I will stick to IOS Apps. I own Google stock too ... so please do not give up on Android.

 

[Zaap]

^Weak.

Admit it dude, he turned it around on you.

Who uses Educreations except people that make educational tutorials? I don't do that (I'd wager 99.999999% of the rest of the world doesn't either) so why do I care?

Meanwhile, yeah, what on iOS equals Tasker? That thing is invaluable to me, the true difference between a smart phone and a dumb one.

 

[Capt Caveman]

funny i prefer the android ones most of the time


and TBH if you are on a tablet you don't need an app for 99% of what they listed, just go to the fing website in the browser and request the desktop version

hell on wifi or 4g thats what i do on my phone as well

I find in my experience, the apps I use are better than their corresponding websites.

 

[BoberFett]

People coming up with irrelevant comparisons and analogies is making my head hurt. Apps on a mobile device is an entirely different playing field than a desktop. Lack of games on Macs isn't going to affect the OS as heavily as Android with the lack of apps.

A tablet is born with pre existing limitations so its dependence on apps is much greater than a desktop. There's no double standard, they're two different platforms with two different uses.

I've browsed lists of iPad "killer apps" and frankly nothing at all looks remotely interesting to me. A tablet is a portable web browser. That's it.

 

[vulcanman]

I've browsed lists of iPad "killer apps" and frankly nothing at all looks remotely interesting to me. A tablet is a portable web browser. That's it.

You remind me about what a former president about Chavez ... "You cannot have a reasonable debate of any kind with someone of that disposition".

Here is the news from yesterday that blows your logic into space debris ...
http://www.informationweek.com/news/healthcare/mobile-wireless/232602825

I am sure you and several other posters will still remain unconvinced (aka Fox News Syndrome) ... so I will leave you alone with your keyboard. Good night.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I've browsed lists of iPad "killer apps" and frankly nothing at all looks remotely interesting to me. A tablet is a portable web browser. That's it.

Not sure if serious. You obviously haven't spent much time seeing how a tablet can be used in the work environment, education and medical field.

I enjoy using mine to admin my work systems.

Google - Apps for Autism

 

[cheezy321]

I've browsed lists of iPad "killer apps" and frankly nothing at all looks remotely interesting to me. A tablet is a portable web browser. That's it.

You just simply don't want to get out of your bubble and realize that a tablet has many versatile uses.

Look at this list of top paid iPad apps. Apple released this list after the App store hit 25 billion downloads:
http://www.macstories.net/news/appl...ps-following-25-billion-downloads/#more-28706

Top Paid iPad
Pages
Angry Birds HD
Angry Birds Seasons HD
Penultimate
Scrabble for iPad
Fruit Ninja HD
GarageBand
GoodReader
Angry Birds Rio HD
Cut The Rope HD
Numbers
Keynote
Words With Friends HD
Star Walk for iPad
MONOPOLY for iPad
Plants vs. Zombies HD
Where&#8217;s My Water?
Friendly Plus for Facebook
QuickOffice Pro HD
Notability
Splashtop Remote Desktop for iPad
Pinball HD
MyPad+ &#8211; For Facebook & Twitter
Infinity Blade
Real Racing 2

About 1/4 of this list is productivity apps. 25% of them. People use the iPad daily as much more than a 'portable web browser'. Get your head out of the sand.

As more and more people get accustomed to using a touchscreen keyboard, expect the ipad to replace more and more things a full desktop or laptop was needed to do.

I mean, look at this kid! 110 WPM on an ipad!
https://twitter.com/#!/MaximHarper/status/176435401442070528

 

[theeedude]

You just simply don't want to get out of your bubble and realize that a tablet has many versatile uses.

Look at this list of top paid iPad apps. Apple released this list after the App store hit 25 billion downloads:
http://www.macstories.net/news/appl...ps-following-25-billion-downloads/#more-28706



About 1/4 of this list is productivity apps. 25% of them. People use the iPad daily as much more than a 'portable web browser'. Get your head out of the sand.

As more and more people get accustomed to using a touchscreen keyboard, expect the ipad to replace more and more things a full desktop or laptop was needed to do.

I mean, look at this kid! 110 WPM on an ipad!
https://twitter.com/#!/MaximHarper/status/176435401442070528

Just because you can use a device for something in a pinch does not mean it's the best device for that use. I can fit a washing machine in my car if need be, but if I was a washing machine deliveryman, I'd buy a truck.

 

[BoberFett]

Really? That's your list of must have apps?

OK, I revise my statement. Tablets are portable web browsers and for playing simplistic games.

 

[cheezy321]

Really? That's your list of must have apps?

OK, I revise my statement. Tablets are portable web browsers and for playing simplistic games.

I wish I could retract my response. You aren't even worth responding to. What an absolute waste of time. Keep your head in the sand, sounds like you want to stay in your happy place.

Its funny how I don't even have to talk about the future to prove you wrong. Its happening all around you. You don't have to look far to see it. Kind of sad really.


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