Interesting article on Leopard vs. Vista

[lamere]

http://www.playfuls.com/news_03856_Leop...ple_Will_Beat_Microsoft_Next_Year.html

Good Lord, Leopard/PowerMac is extremly impressive. I think people will be flocking to get a mac soon, I for one will be....(hope)
The specs are SICK!
Watching the WWDC footage it looks like M$ has a crapload of catching up to do on thier OS, and apple seems to be owning them in every catagory, hands down. Apple is MANY years ahead, MANY. M$ delays, more delays, office delays, and overall shoddy code seems to be finally doing them in. Looks like the only reason to go M$ in the future is only to do gaming, and even M$ itself is trying to kill off gaming on the PC in favor of it's own console. Thats no secret, as the PC gaming industry has been on the decline for awhile unfortunatly, in favor of consoles. 3-4 times as many games are out on consoles than on PC's as if that's not a big enough hint to the PC gaming community......
I'm not exited about vista, or its rediculous hardware requirements which is going to FORCE people to buy a high end rig just to use it, just like WIN XP did. Why? Because after vista comes out, M$ won't be supporting XP much longer. Maybe a few years, and if people will still want to use windows they will have to purchase a new rig, and people aren't really going to want to do that. Save for the pro M$ uber enthusiasts. I know I was *NOT* happy for one having to do that in 2001 when I had my AMD 900MHZ system that would NOT install winXP because of hardware incompatibility, Which forced me to buy a new mobo and processor. And at that point, apple will be the better deal as it's system will most likely cost less (it already costs less than a high end dell as of right now.)
I'm not pro apple but hate M$, and the thought of getting a powermac and getting to dual boot windows *if* I ever needed to is practically irresistable, and get twice the machine to boot. Trust me, the *only* reason I have to use windows is to game out on FPS's

Thoughts?

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Well of course, Mac OS X is a much more impressive platform os than vista. I mean, statistically speaking, Apple has been pumping out OSes like there's no tomorrow. In the time it has taken Microsoft to create one OS, how many OSes has Apple released, 5?, and it recoded a whole OS in months. I mean how great is that.

However, your gaming theory, on the PC, is completely false. With Live Anywhere, this new program that Microsoft is creating, they will emulate the ecosystem of the Xbox community, and bring it to both phones and most importantly, bringing gaming back to the PC. If they succeed, they will bring PC gaming back on top.

And the reason why Microsoft is saying you need to upgrade your computer is because they have no control over their hardware, and they have to make Vista kick ass but still be available to most of their customers. They need to force upgrades to be able to have the same OS (Leopard) that most Apple owners (maybe G4 and above...its unknown) will be able to install on their machines.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: lamere
Thoughts?

Yes.

Release OS X for PC already :|

Apple hardware = rebadged overpriced overstylized crap.
So i will never buy a Mac.

I would love to run OS X on a PC though, as would many others.

I simply cannot understand why Apple in their infinite greed doesn't see this opportunity & take it.

I'd buy it for my PC for dual boot, as would so many others.

 

[ProfJohn]

Apple is a hardware company that makes its own OS. If you know Apple history you would know that when they allowed other companies to make MacOS computers it almost killed Apple, they can't make enough profit on a $100 OS to survive.

Now perhaps with the iPod and how that move is changing everything at Apple it would be possible for them to allow OS X on other machines, but I doubt it.

Besides one of the reasons Apples are so great is the total control they have over everything. Imagine how Apple would look when people start to complain about OS X not working on their machine.

Also imagine the number of "OS X doesn't boot on my machine" threads we would have to deal with.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
In the time it has taken Microsoft to create one OS, how many OSes has Apple released, 5?, and it recoded a whole OS in months. I mean how great is that.

Not really. Apple has released a single OS in the past five years with four for-purchase updates (soon to be five). In the same time period, MS has also released a single desktop OS with free updates.

 

[imported_Mags]

Originally posted by: n7
Apple hardware = rebadged overpriced overstylized crap.

Heard of the Mac Pro?

 

[IdaGno]

Release OS X for PC already :|

That would be sweet. I do not understand the hesitation to do so.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: lamere
Thoughts?

Why is it that i only see you post mac fanboi crap?

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: IdaGno

Release OS X for PC already :|

That would be sweet. I do not understand the hesitation to do so.

If you read the thread you're posting in you might have a clue.

 

[bobdelt]

I found os x to be pretty unresponsive and clumsy...or maybe I just dont know how to use it

But why is this General Hardware?

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: IdaGno

Release OS X for PC already :|

That would be sweet. I do not understand the hesitation to do so.

Ever wonder WHY Windows takes longer to develop?

OXS = developed for specific hardware for the most part, whatever Apple puts in the machines.
Windows = not.

Releasing OSX for anyone = driver issues, etc. Just like Windows has.

 

[Lonyo]

Also, on the dual boot point: who loses?
I don't see MS selling complete computers.
If people buy a Mac and then buy Windows to dual boot, who cares? MS still gets a sale.
If people instead buy a PC and use Windows, MS still gets a sale...

Plus a lot of those features are things you can already do with Windows, although they may need a 3rd party program.
What *exactly* is it that gives the next OSX a boost above Windows anything? Features that Windows can have too, or something else?
From what I've seen of the new search feature (ie: what's been said about it) it looks like it's just adding features already available since at least Win 2k. Hardly something to boast about.
Multiple desktops? Don't they have those already with 3rd party programs? As well as the option to switch to another user in XP while having existing users areas left open/alone?

There are backup options in Windows, although they are not all automated, but they can be. Scheduled tasks? System restore?
Video chat from MSN Messenger.
Virtual/remote desktop programs which allow you to share your desktop.
etc etc etc


And iTunes? Don't make me laugh.
Give me WMA protected ANY day, because it gives me more freedom.
If my current wma player breaks, do I have to buy another one? No, I have a choice of different manufacturers, I'm not locked in to one manufacturer, unlike with iPods.
Sure, iTunes/iPods are popular, but they are not as good as people seem to think. I have a Playsforsure mp3 player, and I could get another, different one, if I so wished, and they would both support my music. I'm not locked in.

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: Mags

Originally posted by: n7
Apple hardware = rebadged overpriced overstylized crap.

Heard of the Mac Pro?

Oh yeah... what a Bargain!

Honestly, the Mac Pro is a great step in performance, but their prices are just beyond unreasonable. For instance, AJA makes 2 HD-SDI capture cards, the AJA Xena series (Windows) and AJA Kona Series (Macintosh). To build a system capable of capturing Uncompressed 1080i60 video on a PC = $6,000 or so. To configure a mac to do the same = $25,000+, because the only way to store that kind of video on a mac is to get a Fibre channel card and spend 14k on their external storage. Plus the only workstation card they offer is a Quaddro FX 4500, which is overkill on this app (Quaddro 3450 is the ideal point). Want 4 GB of Ram, oh thats another 1500 bucks.

I think Mac's make video/image editing much easier and clear than PC's, however until I can build my own, its just worthless to compare. Dollar for Dollar, Mac's are way overpriced in the performance segment, they dont even come close.

 

[Pabster]

Vista is old school alright. It's nearly 3 years old already!

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Also, on the dual boot point: who loses?
I don't see MS selling complete computers.
If people buy a Mac and then buy Windows to dual boot, who cares? MS still gets a sale.
If people instead buy a PC and use Windows, MS still gets a sale...

Plus a lot of those features are things you can already do with Windows, although they may need a 3rd party program.
What *exactly* is it that gives the next OSX a boost above Windows anything? Features that Windows can have too, or something else?
From what I've seen of the new search feature (ie: what's been said about it) it looks like it's just adding features already available since at least Win 2k. Hardly something to boast about.
Multiple desktops? Don't they have those already with 3rd party programs? As well as the option to switch to another user in XP while having existing users areas left open/alone?

There are backup options in Windows, although they are not all automated, but they can be. Scheduled tasks? System restore?
Video chat from MSN Messenger.
Virtual/remote desktop programs which allow you to share your desktop.
etc etc etc


And iTunes? Don't make me laugh.
Give me WMA protected ANY day, because it gives me more freedom.
If my current wma player breaks, do I have to buy another one? No, I have a choice of different manufacturers, I'm not locked in to one manufacturer, unlike with iPods.
Sure, iTunes/iPods are popular, but they are not as good as people seem to think. I have a Playsforsure mp3 player, and I could get another, different one, if I so wished, and they would both support my music. I'm not locked in.

People who think the Mac OSs are better don't know how to use a PC.

Your typical user doesn't know 1\2 of what is in a Windows OS, or how to use it. That is why they become Mac users.

MS Outlook has hundreds of features I bet hardly any of you use, because you didn't know they were there, and didn't bother looking. They can make your life so much easyer.

Mac is simple, for the simple minded (sheep).

Also, I fail to see the point of paying money out the @$$ for a Mac machine, and then putting Windows on it. I thought that is what you all were trying to get away from. Or did you realize that, yes, you too need Windows.

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: lamere
Thoughts?

Why is it that i only see you post mac fanboi crap?

Hey, I didn't start this thread to start a flame war, and if you want to start one, i'm sure the mods will have the thread shut down. I'm curious of other opinions, as I have stated mine.
Check my other posts. I mainly post about the inferiority of LCD's to CRT's, and general troubleshooting. I don't even own a MAC. I'm pointing out the obvious and like to hear input from both sides. You don't see me saying this to the pro Conroe community here when i'm pro AMD. It doesn't bother me. Pro Intel say they're processors are better, and at this point they are. MAC systems are better, and it's true. What's the difference?
You need to read the first post again, I said, i'm not pro apple, but thier stuff is highly impressive and worth considering over M$. It's OK, really, lighten up

 

[Pabster]

OP, just be careful with the rhetoric.

Apple fanboys are loathed around here even more than CPU and Video Card Manufacturer fanboys.

 

[lamere]

BTW, good opinions - true there is nothing a mac can do to touch M$ office software wise but the OS aspect seems so far ahead.
M$ is STILL dealing with problems with viruses, spyware, etc. after all these years when mac/linux has never really had a problem with them. Sacrifice security for ease of functuality. Apple is taking the UNIX kernal/shell and making it user friendly, something the linux community can't do just yet, but they're not getting paid either

Keep 'em coming, this is some good stuff here

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: Pabster
OP, just be careful with the rhetoric.

Apple fanboys are loathed around here even more than CPU and Video Card Manufacturer fanboys.

Yeah, i'm finding that out.....

No big deal, I find interest in both sides.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: lamere
BTW, good opinions - true there is nothing a mac can do to touch M$ office software wise but the OS aspect seems so far ahead.
M$ is STILL dealing with problems with viruses, spyware, etc. after all these years when mac/linux has never really had a problem with them. Sacrifice security for ease of functuality. Apple is taking the UNIX kernal/shell and making it user friendly, something the linux community can't do just yet, but they're not getting paid either

Keep 'em coming, this is some good stuff here

The best security OSX has is lack of marketshare.

If OSX (or any flavor of *nix, for that matter) were on as many desktops as Windows, it'd be riddled with just as many holes as Windows is. It's got nothing to do with superior coding.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: IdaGno

Release OS X for PC already :|

That would be sweet. I do not understand the hesitation to do so.

Ever wonder WHY Windows takes longer to develop?

OXS = developed for specific hardware for the most part, whatever Apple puts in the machines.
Windows = not.

Releasing OSX for anyone = driver issues, etc. Just like Windows has.

For most desktop systems, you really don't have that many different configs that would run OS X (remember, you need a processor that supports SSE2): You have:

AMD Athlon 64 with nVidia, ATi, SiS, Uli or Via chipsets
Intel P4/P-D/Core 2 Duo processor with Intel, nVidia, ATi, SiS, Uli or Via chipsets

Apple already has the Intel chipset drivers down, and aside from differences in the northbridge and memory interfaces, a lot of the drivers are going to be the same for the Intel and AMD versions of an nVidia motheboard, so it isn't that hard of a task.

I think the biggest technical reason that you don't see Apple putting out a generic PC version of OS X is that few Windows machines out right now support EFI. I almost wonder if MS dropped EFI support from Vista was to slow the adoption of EFI on PC motherboards so that Apple simply won't have the easy option of dropping a white-box version of OS X out on the masses to compete with Vista.

 

[thecrecarc]

mac doesnt have any spyware or viruses because noone gives a sh1t about macs enough to create one.

 

[Noema]

Mac =/= MAC

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
mac doesnt have any spyware or viruses because noone gives a sh1t about macs enough to create one.

QFT.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: acole1
People who think the Mac OSs are better don't know how to use a PC.

Your typical user doesn't know 1\2 of what is in a Windows OS, or how to use it. That is why they become Mac users.

MS Outlook has hundreds of features I bet hardly any of you use, because you didn't know they were there, and didn't bother looking. They can make your life so much easyer.

Mac is simple, for the simple minded (sheep).

Also, I fail to see the point of paying money out the @$$ for a Mac machine, and then putting Windows on it. I thought that is what you all were trying to get away from. Or did you realize that, yes, you too need Windows.

ding ding ding. you win the anandtech most ignorant post of the day award! you win, a i <3 windoze fanboi tattoo, right on your forehead!

it's amazing how many mac users are ex-pc users who got tired of the headaches. most of those (like me) are pc techs who got tired of having to fix their own problems after fixing everyone else's. i still keep a pc around for the occassional cs:s or bf2 fix (altho bf2 on the 360 is pretty dang sweet) but for the most part my computing gets done on my 12" g4 powerbook.

don't feel bad, i used to be as ignorant and bull headed as you are. i just finally gave osx a real chance and i haven't looked back since.