Discussion Intel's past, present and future

[DAPUNISHER]

What about half of everyone?

The internet has taught me that half is made of cake.

 

[hal2kilo]

It’s weird watching the Trump admin make tech policy and conservatives suddenly don’t want to talk about how policy impacts tech on a tech forum.

Fucking cowards

It's almost like Republicans talking about government over reach, and picking winners and losers was just a big joke.

 

[Hulk]

It's almost like Republicans talking about government over reach, and picking winners and losers was just a big joke.

Depends. In almost all cases yes. But if it's something like the government mobilizing Ford or GM or other American companies for war production in order to fight the Axis in WWII then I'm okay with it.

Obama blowing 500 million on Solyndra to "feed" his friends and then get paid a half mil for a speech here and there, then not so much.

If Intel is the ONLY chip production facility in the US, then yes, we have to keep them around in some capacity for basic survival.

 

[brycejones]

Depends. In almost all cases yes. But if it's something like the government mobilizing Ford or GM or other American companies for war production in order to fight the Axis in WWII then I'm okay with it.

Obama blowing 500 million on Solyndra to "feed" his friends and then get paid a half mil for a speech here and there, then not so much.

If Intel is the ONLY chip production facility in the US, then yes, we have to keep them around in some capacity for basic survival.

Solyndra - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Error 404: Obama blowing 500 million on Solyndra to "feed" his friends

Also getting angry at Obama's speeches AFTER he is out of office is just weird. Unless you have evidence he was being paid for speeches while he was President.

 

[Hulk]

Solyndra - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Error 404: Obama blowing 500 million on Solyndra to "feed" his friends

Also getting angry at Obama's speeches AFTER he is out of office is just weird. Unless you have evidence he was being paid for speeches while he was President.

I was citing an example of why in general I don't like the gov getting into the private sector (funding).

I know I "bit" on the politics started here and I wish I had not.

I will keep it to the cpu's moving forward.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I was citing an example of why in general I don't like the gov getting into the private sector (funding).

I know I "bit" on the politics started here and I wish I had not.

I will keep it to the cpu's moving forward.

Counterargument: only the government is willing to take bets on new technologies that offer to transform society. A good government wisely invests for its people. Like any investment portfolio, not all of them will pan out. But those that do produce revolutions in their fields

 

[brycejones]

I was citing an example of why in general I don't like the gov getting into the private sector (funding).

I know I "bit" on the politics started here and I wish I had not.

I will keep it to the cpu's moving forward.

Oh good grief grow a pair and don’t run away because someone questioned your narrative. If it’s so weak it can’t withstand 10 seconds of scrutiny what’s that say about the underlying facts of your position?

 

[Hulk]

Oh good grief grow a pair and don’t run away because someone questioned your narrative. If it’s so weak it can’t withstand 10 seconds of scrutiny what’s that say about the underlying facts of your position?

I will debate any liberal nonsense anytime. Liberalism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Most notable example is William Bradford and the pilgrams. Look it up if you don't know the history.

Anyway, this isn't the place for it.

Oh yeah, stop triggering me!

Oh sorry, liberal nonsense.

 

[dr1337]

If everyone seems like cancer, you're the cancer.

says the pig in the slop heap

this thread is literally already off topic now after 3 pages of rage baiting and insults, instead of talking about intel, its cancer, cake, and republicans vs democrats

the P&N forums are infamous for not harboring conducive discussions


In actual news, softbank just dumped 2bn onto intel via buying stock

SoftBank Group and Intel Corporation Sign $2B Investment Agreement

www.intc.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

SoftBank Group and Intel Corporation Sign $2B Investment Agreement

www.intc.com

CRAP!

Softbank really must have someone like me as their advisor.

Could it also mean that they may try to acquire Intel?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Looks like AI crap: https://www.emirates247.com/technol...iant-avoid-a-similar-fate-2025-08-18-1.740693

Some of it makes sense. But comparing Intel to Nokia? Only makes sense if M$ inserted one or more trojan executives into Intel. More information needed.

 

[brycejones]

I will debate any liberal nonsense anytime. Liberalism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Most notable example is William Bradford and the pilgrams. Look it up if you don't know the history.

Anyway, this isn't the place for it.

Oh yeah, stop triggering me!

Oh sorry, liberal nonsense.

Define “liberalism”…..I am really trying to understand how Obama getting paid for speeches after he leaves public service means “liberalism” is a failure.

 

[Hulk]

Obama is/was failed liberalism in action.
Remember when he said, "The problem with the Constitutionit is a charter of negative liberties." You see he and liberals want an all-powerful, central command. They know what is best for everyone. He COMPLETELY misses the point of the founders in that the Constitution was a reponse to government overreach. Among so many things liberalism gets wrong, that is a big one. Even now liberals want to compel speech... look to Great Britain.

Obama came into office with little money and left with hundreds of millions. Solyndra is just one example. You see when you give away 500 million dollars in hard earned money to a failed company you get returns, favors, deals on real estate, ridiculous money for silly speeches and appearances, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars for art a 3 year old could create.

I'm sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to try to reach you with logic and the history of failed liberal socialist states and the corruption liberalism and it's ideas produce. Just look at every liberal run city in the US if you need another example of the destruction it causes. While I don't know you, by your remarks I'm pretty sure you are unreachable so further debate is pointless.

Be well my friend.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Obama came into office with little money and left with hundreds of millions. Solyndra is just one example. You see when you give away 500 million dollars in hard earned money to a failed company you get returns, favors, deals on real estate, ridiculous money for silly speeches and appearances, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars for art a 3 year old could create.

Not defending Obama and it's wrong if he did that to enrich himself but how is trump any better?

 

[brycejones]

Obama is/was failed liberalism in action.
Remember when he said, "The problem with the Constitutionit is a charter of negative liberties." You see he and liberals want an all-powerful, central command. They know what is best for everyone. He COMPLETELY misses the point of the founders in that the Constitution was a reponse to government overreach. Among so many things liberalism gets wrong, that is a big one. Even now liberals want to compel speech... look to Great Britain.

Obama came into office with little money and left with hundreds of millions. Solyndra is just one example. You see when you give away 500 million dollars in hard earned money to a failed company you get returns, favors, deals on real estate, ridiculous money for silly speeches and appearances, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars for art a 3 year old could create.

I'm sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to try to reach you with logic and the history of failed liberal socialist states and the corruption liberalism and it's ideas produce. Just look at every liberal run city in the US if you need another example of the destruction it causes. While I don't know you, by your remarks I'm pretty sure you are unreachable so further debate is pointless.

Be well my friend.

See you keep changing the subject. Can you stick to one thing so we can establish actual shared facts ? Your first posted criticism of Obama had to do with his speeches. Do you have any evidence he was paid for speeches while he was President? Do you have evidence he was promised payments for future speeches if he supported certain policies while he was President?

Also are you still working on that definition of “liberalism”?

 

[RnR_au]

If Intel is the ONLY chip production facility in the US, then yes, we have to keep them around in some capacity for basic survival.

Its not. GlobalFoundries have fabs in Vermont and New York.

In addition;

In May 2023, the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), through the Defense Microelectronics Activity (DMEA), Trusted Access Program Office (TAPO), accredited GlobalFoundries' advanced manufacturing facility in Malta, New York, as a Category 1A Trusted Supplier.

This accreditation enables GlobalFoundries to manufacture secure semiconductors for a wide range of critical aerospace and defense applications.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Its not. GlobalFoundries have fabs in Vermont and New York.

If I were to get to the bottom of why Intel fabs aren't working, I would probably come to the conclusion that the only sane thing to do is to hand over Intel fabs to GoFlo, kick out most Intel fab employees who are not willing to work for pennies until the fabs are back to running the best they can and hire the best fab workers from all over the world because clearly the existing Intel fab employees are not the best. There was a lot of brain drain of good fab talent during the era when Sohail was the Intel TMG head.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not defending Obama and it's wrong if he did that to enrich himself but how is trump any better?

Trump and Obama aren’t even close to the same thing. It’s an absurd comparison that hulk apparently doesn’t have time for.

 

[dank69]

I will debate any liberal nonsense anytime. Liberalism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Most notable example is William Bradford and the pilgrams. Look it up if you don't know the history.

Anyway, this isn't the place for it.

Oh yeah, stop triggering me!

Oh sorry, liberal nonsense.

Your post reads as if you think the pilgrams[sic] were liberal. That has to be a joke, right? If not, and you really think pilgrims were liberal, it's no wonder you have so many bad ideas about what constitutes bad government or corruption. Down is literally up in your world view.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to try to reach you with logic and the history of failed liberal socialist states and the corruption liberalism and it's ideas produce. Just look at every liberal run city in the US if you need another example of the destruction it causes. While I don't know you, by your remarks I'm pretty sure you are unreachable so further debate is pointless.

Be well my friend.

Is your argument that conservative anti-socialist states don't fail?

Regarding liberal cities, they are the most successful in the US...even Austin, in a sea of red thrives. Yes there are issues in those cities but nowhere near (per capita) as non-liberal cities.

 

[pmv]

I will debate any liberal nonsense anytime. Liberalism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Most notable example is William Bradford and the pilgrams. Look it up if you don't know the history.

Anyway, this isn't the place for it.

Oh yeah, stop triggering me!

Oh sorry, liberal nonsense.

Liberalism is the dominant political ideology of our era (or has been up till very recently, at any rate). It's the ideology of capitalism, and rose to dominance along side that system. Whether it has 'failed' is a debatable question (I'm inclined to think maybe it has, but then, I was raised by socialists, who always despised liberalism).

It certainly hasn't failed as comprehensively as conservatism, which has proved so incompatible with reality that many of its proponents have gone insane. Sometimes seems to me that liberalism is the conservative back-up plan. The 'reserves' who stepped in when the failure of conservatism became impossible to ignore.

Never heard of William Bradford - looked him up and it seems he was a 'puritan separatist', who settled in what became the US, so, I guess, a fore-runner of US religious conservatism. What point are you making about him?


These days liberalism seems to be the ideology of the professional-managerial class, or technocrats. It serves their interests.

 

[dank69]

Liberalism is the dominant political ideology of our era (or has been up till very recently, at any rate). It's the ideology of capitalism, and rose to dominance along side that system. Whether it has 'failed' is a debatable question (I'm inclined to think maybe it has, but then, I was raised by socialists, who always despised liberalism).

It certainly hasn't failed as comprehensively as conservatism, which has proved so incompatible with reality that many of its proponents have gone insane. Sometimes seems to me that liberalism is the conservative back-up plan. The 'reserves' who stepped in when the failure of conservativism became impossible to ignore.

Never heard of William Bradford - looked him up and it seems he was a 'puritan separatist', who settled in what became the US, so, I guess, a fore-runner of US religious conservativsm. What point are you making about him?

The guy is worried about how much money Obama made while in office...

Never mind the fact that we know that most of the money Obama made came directly from book sales. Yes, selling books, such corruption! This is how woefully uninformed the average person has to be to stay conservative in this day and age.

 

[DZero]

The guy is worried about how much money Obama made while in office...

Never mind the fact that we know that most of the money Obama made came directly from book sales. Yes, selling books, such corruption! This is how woefully uninformed the average person has to be to stay conservative in this day and age.

And this is why he wants to get all the industries, even Intel with him and wants Jerome Powell out