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Intel's Conroe Now In Hands Of A Few

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Originally posted by: MBrown
Can't wait for the results. Was xtreme systems just hacked? I guess Fugger over there is now only a guest instead of a high posistion he had I assume. Just an observation.
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Umm he is the owner of the site.

 
Originally posted by: Cooler
Originally posted by: 996GT2
Just a slight correction to the previous post-the Pentium M's core is DOTHAN, not DOLPHIN
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Did you really need to post that? Does the fact that I spelled the chips code name wrong way really affect you?
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At least you didnt say lame duck
 
Originally posted by: WT
You guys and your crazy megahertz escalation .... didn't AMD and now recently Intel teach you that mhz isn't as important as enthusiasts/gamers make it out to be ??
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No, what AMD and Intel recently taught us is that pushing a core that ramps up to high clock speeds but is prone to low ipc isn't as useful as it was thought to have been.

Conroe has a higher ipc than the X2 or Opteron currently, so pushing a Conroe up to 3-4 ghz is a big, big deal. High clock speeds + high ipc = pwnz

Ohh, and how the hell are we supposed to figure out what we are buying. Ohh, its an Intel 805D ... WTF ??? I just bought an Opteron 165 so thats no better as far as what speed the chip actually is. I'm ranting at this point, but I find it as annoying as trying to buy a certain 3.2 Intel chip from a while back when there were four (FOUR !!??!!??) different 3.2 chips available.
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Eh, do some homework. Jeez. It's not that hard to figure out just by browsing search results at Newegg or something. They stock just about every commonly available x86 processor currently on the market, and they have clock speeds, cache levels, and other fun details available.

 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: BrownTown
you should get whatever chip is he best at what you need in your price range. Right now it aint AMS, or Conroe because they aren't out yet. At some point in the future either of these could be what you want, but right now they arent out, and niether are any good reviews of them.
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WELL SAID.
 
LordX, you like homework or something ?? My point was, how does ANY average consumer know what they are buying ??? Guess what ... A Barton 2500+ is fairly easy to discern its CPU abilities. An Intel 805D is ..... apparently faster since its a higher number !! Don't assume I'm lazy, but I'll give you $20 Paypal if your parents can tell me the CPU speed of that 805D without any research, or 'homework' as you put it.
 
holy crap, they are saying the ES OCs to 4ghz on air...

That is absolutely retarded... AMD better have a comeback in the works.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
holy crap, they are saying the ES OCs to 4ghz on air...

That is absolutely retarded... AMD better have a comeback in the works.
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They do, but it's in 07, and they have indicated that it probably won't put out the new K8L core until transition to 65nm and quad core has taken place, which will be in 1H 07.
 
we should know in a matter of hours whether or not it is. Also, for those talking about clockspeed not being a big deal, it is every bit as important as IPC. The key is to find the correct comprimise of the two on the process you are using. For Intel an 90nm 31 stages for the pipeline was considerably too many, 20 might have worked, but 31 just sacrificed too much for only small gains in clockspeed. Also, lets get this straight, IF Conroe goes to 4G on air it is GAME OVER, it would be considerably faster then any CPU today even if they are using LN2.
 
Originally posted by: WT
LordX, you like homework or something ?? My point was, how does ANY average consumer know what they are buying ??? Guess what ... A Barton 2500+ is fairly easy to discern its CPU abilities. An Intel 805D is ..... apparently faster since its a higher number !! Don't assume I'm lazy, but I'll give you $20 Paypal if your parents can tell me the CPU speed of that 805D without any research, or 'homework' as you put it.
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Eh? Since when have any of AMD's PR ratings meant a damn thing? Just because a Barton-core Athlon XP has a 2500+ next to it doesn't mean consumers have any idea how fast it really is. Most of them might mistake it for a 2500 mhz CPU, which it is not. AMD's PR ratings have always been pretty damn sketchy.

Furthermore, even if you do know the exact clock speed of the chip you're buying, that still isn't any real indicator of that chip's performane to anything other than CPUs using similar or identical cores. Take a Pentium III 500 mhz versus an Alpha 500 mhz or a k6-2 500 mhz and tell me who the winner is. See my point? Even at the same clock speeds, it's still not evident which is faster than the other. Intel's Pentium 4 made things even worse in that department.

These new part numbers from Intel are no less confusing to common consumers than their old mhz ratings, and AMD's PR ratings aren't helping any either. Average mom & pop buyers just don't know anything about their computers, and they haven't for years. Nothing has changed.

And, yes, I do like "homework" when that "homework" is reading up on the latest CPUs and their specs *)

 
Originally posted by: Conroe
FUGGER has the chip! Now we can see how that thing runs on a nForce4 Intel edition!
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No, fugger has a piece of paper saying "April Fools" on it.

EDIT: Well, apparently he "shook the box some more" and a Conroe popped out. Can you say.... double april fools!
 
How does GeForce 6200TC 128MB (32MB on-board) compares to mobility Radeon X1400? If they are comparable, I can show a couple benches of Toledo 3GHz vs Merom 2GHz and/or San Diego 3GHz vs Merom 2GHz.

 
woah, how did you get your hands on one of those? GJ

As for the video cards, the 6200==X300, so the X1400 should be a bit better.
Post bench marks as soon as you can plz!
 
Originally posted by: lopri
How does GeForce 6200TC 128MB (32MB on-board) compares to mobility Radeon X1400? If they are comparable, I can show a couple benches of Toledo 3GHz vs Merom 2GHz and/or San Diego 3GHz vs Merom 2GHz.
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Not really,

The X1400 is quite a bit better; I can't believe that you own a whole website and can't afford to buy a second 6200. Come on, don't be such a cheapo.
 
It is the reason XS is down. It got bombarded with too much traffic and most likely crashed the servers. This is exactly what FUGGER wanted to avoid. Someone should show that guy how to throttle bandwidth on his web server. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Hard Ball
Originally posted by: lopri
How does GeForce 6200TC 128MB (32MB on-board) compares to mobility Radeon X1400? If they are comparable, I can show a couple benches of Toledo 3GHz vs Merom 2GHz and/or San Diego 3GHz vs Merom 2GHz.
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Not really,

The X1400 is quite a bit better; I can't believe that you own a whole website and can't afford to buy a second 6200. Come on, don't be such a cheapo.
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What I can't believe is that NO ONE has picked up on what he is saying.
They're different generations of chips.

 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It is the reason XS is down. It got bombarded with too much traffic and most likely crashed the servers. This is exactly what FUGGER wanted to avoid. Someone should show that guy how to throttle bandwidth on his web server. 😀
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I don't believe that something like that would take XS down. Surely they have a bit more bandwidth/servers than that. [I say servers because he may have tons of bandwidth but not enough connections via the servers.]

Edit: Sorry for the double post =/
 
Originally posted by: TrevorRC
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It is the reason XS is down. It got bombarded with too much traffic and most likely crashed the servers. This is exactly what FUGGER wanted to avoid. Someone should show that guy how to throttle bandwidth on his web server. 😀
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I don't believe that something like that would take XS down. Surely they have a bit more bandwidth/servers than that. [I say servers because he may have tons of bandwidth but not enough connections via the servers.]

Edit: Sorry for the double post =/
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If you followed FCG's thread over there, he mentioned that FUGGER had concerns about his forum and website crashing if he posted his results all at once, then traffic would increase 10 fold when word got out. So, obviously, this overload was a possibility just by noting his concerns. By the sound of it, FUGGER has a mediocre server setup as per a friend of his who visited his office recently. He mentioned the computers being in a small closet, lol. Anyway, whatever the reason for the outtage, bandwidth or insufficient server resources, the fact still remains that it went down and we can't see didly.

 
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