Intel Will Pay Rival Chipmaker AMD $1.25 Billion to Settle All Legal Disputes

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Viditor

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it's an easy win for Intel because they lose very little, but get rid of their potential issues.

That will depend on what the new business practice guidelines are...for example, they could very well make AMD' lower pricing more effective with OEMs.

Edit: On an up note for Intel, their tax rate drops from 26% to 20% on this news...
 
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teddyv

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"AMD stock is up 30% during pre-market"

My Intel and my TSM is up as well - removing uncertainty is good all around.
 

Idontcare

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What is the inevitable? Previously, you mentioned in another thread that it's Intel being broken down thanks to regulators for being a juggernaut of a monopoly courtesy of reaching critical mass.

Now it seems you mean "inevitable" to be AMD dying?

Yes, the inevitable in my mind is still unchanged, but the journey (sequence of events in timing) of how we will get there has changed up.

I still remain convinced the economics of node cadence and Moore's Law still ensures Intel will outpace and thus outgrow their competition unless they artificially and intentionally apply the R&D investment brakes. This much is unavoidable.

But I had assumed that AMD would live long enough to see Intel reach an end-state and thus would stand to benefit from it, that assumption was based on my expectation that AMD would carve a hefty >10B cash transfer from Intel from the myriad of lawsuits and this cash would enable AMD to limp along for the decade or so that it will take for Intel to reach the end-state.

Now however I am not so convinced AMD will be there to see Intel be disassembled at the hands of government intervention. (just as AT&T's competitors were no longer around, nor Standard Oil's) The probability for that occurring has undeniably decreased with the settlement coming in an order of magnitude lower than I was factoring it to be.

But you know what they say about the future:

Yogi Berra said:
The future ain't what it used to be.

and

Yogi Berra said:
Prediction is very hard, especially about the future.

The nice thing here is that this erases any issues remaining for the GlobalFoundries divestiture to ATIC, meaning AMD retains all existing licensing for x86 and can continue producing processors for the foreseeable future.

Yep, this removes the nagging concerns of business viability that were hovering over the head of GF's as they sought to secure future customers.

Knowing full well that the viability of GF hinged critically on AMD being a key customer account, any doubts surrounding AMD's legal ability to remain a customer of GF's for x86 volumes definitely put a damper on would-be customers contemplating the move to GF. (i.e. Intel's lawsuit was the stuff of dreams for TSMC's marketing dept...you can't invent opportunities to spread FUD like that, truth is stranger than fiction)

With this technicality now eliminated, GF's no longer has to fight with phantom marketing shenanigans created by the competing foundries. Potential customers may still question the stability of GF's versus sticking with an established foundry supplier like TSMC but it won't be out of concern that Intel's deep pockets might squash the GF spin-off at some distant point in the future.

That seed of doubt has now been hit with a spritz of Roundup.

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jvroig

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Thanks for clearing that up.

Do you mean that despite some non-monetary things (new cross-licensing, business practice provisions, removal of threats of litigation, etc) aside from the $1.25B, you'd still rather AMD have had $10B? Wouldn't this settlement, instead of just cash, be more useful to AMD?
 

Viditor

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Yes, the inevitable in my mind is still unchanged, but the journey (sequence of events in timing) of how we will get there has changed up.

I still remain convinced the economics of node cadence and Moore's Law still ensures Intel will outpace and thus outgrow their competition unless they artificially and intentionally apply the R&D investment brakes. This much is unavoidable.

Out of curiousity, couldn't that same be said of AMD in 1999?
I think I must disagree...my own feeling is that the nature of R&D (or inspiration if you will) is less reliant on a dollar sign than on individual inspiration.
There are forever forks in the road (especially in the semi industry), and taking the wrong turn can be disasterous for a long spell (such as Intel management's decision to go with the P4 architecture or RDRAM). Economics and all other factors were well and truly in Intel's favour, but the ability of management to read the future came up short...
 

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http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12255&postcount=1

"Summary:

- Intel has agreed to an important set of ground rules to a free and open market in the microprocessor industry

- New patent cross-license agreement that gives AMD broad rights and the freedom to operate a business utilizing multiple foundries

- GLOBALFOUNDRIES has agreed to terms that allow them the freedom to operate as an independent world-class leading-edge foundry company, going forward, without being a subsidiary of AMD.

- Intel has agreed to pay AMD $1.25 billion within 30 days of this agreement.

- AMD has agreed to drop all pending lawsuits against Intel as well as all regulatory complaints."
 

Idontcare

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Out of curiousity, couldn't that same be said of AMD in 1999?
I think I must disagree...my own feeling is that the nature of R&D (or inspiration if you will) is less reliant on a dollar sign than on individual inspiration.
There are forever forks in the road (especially in the semi industry), and taking the wrong turn can be disasterous for a long spell (such as Intel management's decision to go with the P4 architecture or RDRAM). Economics and all other factors were well and truly in Intel's favour, but the ability of management to read the future came up short...

My pessimism is based on what I have witnessed first hand in the industry as an R&D process development engineer...not saying AMD's fate is set in stone but am just saying that facts on the ground need to be negated with new facts before my outlook on AMD's future will materially change.

The days of personal inspiration making a critical difference are long, long, long since passed. You can have a Wally whose lack of performing up to par can cause a critical delay which then propagates throughout the project but there are no Asok's with mental telepathy who can save the company by working over the weekend.

Node development is now about risk-mitigation (a management determined logic-tree) and not so much about generating opportunity or maximizing entitlement.

And yes the same could have (and was) said of AMD in 1999. I don't think they got where they are today by choice. Spinning off their foundries, diluting shareholder equity by 8%, etc are all symptoms of the fore-casted disease.

At any rate this really isn't a place I want to go, I am not about to set out on a crusade to convince people that AMD is inevitably going to fail or that Intel is inevitably going to be busted up. My opinion is created from stuff that I can't expect every other poster (or any poster really) here to have experienced nor would I expect any poster to take it on faith alone that my experience/knowledge has any relevance whatsoever to the subject matter at hand.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12255&postcount=1

"Summary:

- Intel has agreed to an important set of ground rules to a free and open market in the microprocessor industry

- New patent cross-license agreement that gives AMD broad rights and the freedom to operate a business utilizing multiple foundries

- GLOBALFOUNDRIES has agreed to terms that allow them the freedom to operate as an independent world-class leading-edge foundry company, going forward, without being a subsidiary of AMD.

- Intel has agreed to pay AMD $1.25 billion within 30 days of this agreement.

- AMD has agreed to drop all pending lawsuits against Intel as well as all regulatory complaints."

Now that is awesome news, for both AMD and GlobalFoundries.
 

deputc26

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I just read this http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091112-713122.html (ahh! how do you link a normal word in vBulletin?) article and while I agree that the odds are Intel will continue to outpace AMD and eventually leave drag them into bankruptcy I now have hope that the 1.25B will allow AMD to remain in business to see Bulldozer mature. Also I agree with Viditor that individual inspiration can not be underestimated as an R&D driver. Really I am amazed that AMD still exists given the disadvantages they started with all those years ago and the persistent process inferiority which gives Intel an average 50% (<-guess) cost advantage.
 

jvroig

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AMD's new business strategy - LAWSUITS!
I'm sure that was meant as a joke as evidenced by having a smiley after it, but just so nobody misses the main idea here, AMD was absolutely in the right, and Intel here is practically admitting they did wrong and probably made this move as their best bet at avoiding much much harsher sanctions. Making trivial lawsuits just to earn money is definitely not an AMD maneuver, and losing profit due to the competition's illegal business tactics is no laughing matter either.
 

Idontcare

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(ahh! how do you link a normal word in vBulletin?)

near as I can figure you have to manually wrap your link as follows (remove the quotemarks and linebreaks, I added that so the forum wouldn't make my example an actual link)

"[url"=add_url_here
]add text you want to have hyperlinked to the text here
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jvroig

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+1 thanks for that tip!
I am here to serve (when I'm not endlessly asking questions) :)

Now, as repayment, please change your prediction to "AMD and Intel will surely live happily ever after, no doom shall come upon either of them, as far as my industry experience and highly-evolved spider-sense tell me" :)
 

theeedude

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FTC investigation, NY Lawsuit, and EU enforcement should continue to keep tabs on Intel.
 

akugami

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Haven't really looked at the announcements and it's likely some of the details will remain shrouded but the money is probably the least important aspect of this agreement as others have noted. Likely AMD can have CPU's fabbed at Global Foundries, TSMC, IBM, or even Intel and not worry about licensing restrictions.

I'm wondering if there is something in there about GPU's even though this is mostly about x86 CPU's. It'd certainly give Intel a bit more ammunition against nVidia if they could get some licensing agreements with AMD for GPU patents. Both Intel and AMD are supporting Havok and it would certainly benefit both Intel and AMD to see the industry shift from whatever support is already given CUDA and PhysX to OpenCL, DirectCompute and Havok.
 

jvroig

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FTC investigation, NY Lawsuit, and EU enforcement should continue to keep tabs on Intel.
That's one big important point I wish to clarify here. I am convinced the settlement with AMD will not stop other non-AMD-started lawsuits, such as that of the NY AG. Can anyone more versed in the law declare clearly that Cuomo's lawsuit isn't going to vanish despite the Intel-AMD settlement?
 

lopri

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Can anyone more versed in the law declare clearly that Cuomo's lawsuit isn't going to vanish despite the Intel-AMD settlement?
No, it has (technically) nothing to do with the criminal charges. Those cases still live on. Although I think one of the forces behind this decision by Intel was to send some sort of 'peace' or 'repent' message to the DOJ. Or at least to have a backup plan depending on how the trials unfold. The NYC's suit may well have been a signal from the Federal government and Intel had to do something, obviously.
 
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jvroig

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Then I hope Intel gets beat up pretty bad by the NY AG :) I know they settled with AMD as fair and square as the two companies could agree on, but as long as they still did something illegal in the past, then I hope those criminal charges bear fruit.
 

eternalone

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Wow seems like the right thing to do. This latest scandal with dell and such must really have them worried.
 

theeedude

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That's one big important point I wish to clarify here. I am convinced the settlement with AMD will not stop other non-AMD-started lawsuits, such as that of the NY AG. Can anyone more versed in the law declare clearly that Cuomo's lawsuit isn't going to vanish despite the Intel-AMD settlement?

But would AMD be as willing to supply evidence, or will it now have to go through lengthy subpoenas, now that the main witness has been paid hush money.
 

jvroig

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But would AMD be as willing to supply evidence, or will it now have to go through lengthy subpoenas, now that the main witness has been paid hush money.
From the articles about the NY AG's lawsuit, the impression upon me was that the NY AG already had evidence like documents and emails and what not.

Also, it does not seem AMD is bound to not supply evidence, in the agreement here. Although I should admit that even if Intel and AMD agreed on it, they wouldn't publicly state it along with the rest of the agreement. But it just seems unlikely to me.
 

yh125d

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Intel made $2b PROFIT (not revenue) last QUARTER (not year). $1.25b is an insult and AMD is stupid to accept that (assuming everything in thread so far is true)