Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[ShintaiDK]

You can OC Skylake as well...

And no, i7 6700K is faster.

 

[Whitestar127]

I should mention that my current system is the most stable I have ever had. I'm very hesitant to do a complete system upgrade to just gain a couple of fps.

The GTA5 benchmark here shows roughly an 8% increase: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/?page=7
But I could not find anywhere in this test which frequency they ran the CPUs on, so I have to assume they were run at stock, which means the 2700 was run at 3.5Ghz. But I run mine at 4.4, so the gap would obviously be smaller than 8%. But yeah, the Skylake can of course also be overclocked, as you say.

I suppose it depends on the specific game. The difference in Shadow of Mordor is negligable. Have you found any benches which show a significant fps increase?

 

[mohit9206]

Apologies for not reading the whole thread.

But looking around at 1080p gaming benchmarks it looks as if my overclocked Sandy Bridge i7-2700K @ 4.4Ghz is beating (or on par with) both the 6600 and 6700 at stock Ghz. Is that correct?

So still no reason to CPU upgrade my gaming rig?

Just follow the simple CPU upgrade rule. Upgrade your CPU only when the new CPU is atleast 2X the performance of your current CPU. This rule can also be safely applied to GPU upgrades.

 

[CakeMonster]

But looking around at 1080p gaming benchmarks it looks as if my overclocked Sandy Bridge i7-2700K @ 4.4Ghz is beating (or on par with) both the 6600 and 6700 at stock Ghz. Is that correct?

Reviews so far has concluded that the IPC increase is >25% from SB to SL, meaning that no, SL is faster even in your example. Much faster when OC'ing both platforms.

If you are only gaming however, there might be better upgrade paths for the $$ than CPU in your case considering your current OC.

 

[CakeMonster]

Just follow the simple CPU upgrade rule. Upgrade your CPU only when the new CPU is atleast 2X the performance of your current CPU. This rule can also be safely applied to GPU upgrades.

That rule might be good for you finances, but it's so conservative that it will severely hamper your experience if you play recent games or do any kind of heavy work on your pc.

 

[crashtech]

2x from this point might be a long, long, wait.

 

[cytg111]

That rule might be good for you finances, but it's so conservative that it will severely hamper your experience if you play recent games or do any kind of heavy work on your pc.

I use this rule too, has served me well, i play aaa's as well.

 

[Edrick]

I spent more just to get the i7. I extended my budget for it.


A high end rig that gets an i5 makes me weep.

Edit: The fact that people recommend others to drop down to the i5 when you're spending $500+ on a GPU as a means to "save money" or whatever way they justify it is atrocious. I would love to write a 10 page essay right now, but I just realized that I may hurt someone's feelings that just posted and I already get called a bully on here lol....

What makes you think a (i7) 6700K is a high end rig?

 

[crashtech]

What makes you think a (i7) 6700K is a high end rig?

Is it that important to quibble over the definition of high end? 6700K is faster than Haswell-E in many tasks, and I think it's safe to say that just having any i7 of the last few generations puts one in the top 1% of PCs.

 

[mscrivo]

Is it that important to quibble over the definition of high end? 6700K is faster than Haswell-E in many tasks, and I think it's safe to say that just having any i7 of the last few generations puts one in the top 1% of PCs.

Well said

 

[cmdrdredd]

What makes you think a (i7) 6700K is a high end rig?

When you have a top of the line motherboard (i.e Asus ROG board vs z170-a), a 980ti, fast memory etc that is IMO a pretty high end rig.

 

[386user]

very interested in NUC/5x5 or skylake laptop

i have a feeling its going to be at least 2 months to retail

esp. the 5x5

 

[Edrick]

Is it that important to quibble over the definition of high end? 6700K is faster than Haswell-E in many tasks, and I think it's safe to say that just having any i7 of the last few generations puts one in the top 1% of PCs.

Considering many people on this thread are quibbling over 6600k vs 6700k, referring to one as high end and the other not, I felt the need to put things in a little perspective. HEDT would be considered high end by many people on these forums.

 

[Edrick]

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No point beating a dead horse

 

[guskline]

Edrick, everything on your rig is high end with the possible exception of the gpu. I thought it said GTX760. I know see GTX960OC so that's also mid to high end.

 

[Edrick]

Edrick, everything on your rig is high end with the possible exception of the gpu.

I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. I consider your rig to be high end, which head and shoulders above mine.

 

[Edrick]

I am surprised to see so many people tossing high end gear into a system and opting for a 6600k instead of the 6700k. I did that before with the 3570k vs 3770k and I ended up wishing I had the HT chip at times.

Reasons I went with a i5 6600K instead of a 6700K

1. I had the itch to upgrade for a year and didn't want to wait for the 6700k. If it was released day 1, I probably would have got it.

2. I plan on moving to Skylake-E as soon as it becomes available. I would have moved to Haswell-E if I didn't read how awesome the Purley platform will be. (Damn I hate Intel for making HEDT wait 1.5 years.)

3. A 6600K OC was showing impressive results with good RAM, so the money saved on the CPU bought better RAM.

 

[mohit9206]

In my opinion i7 is entuthiast level, i5 is high end, i3 is mid range and Pentium and Celeron are entry level.

 

[SPBHM]

I think i7 and i5 K attract the same buyers...
enthusiasts having fun with OC and gaming? it's just about how much extra are you willing to pay for them to enable HT (well, not disable it)...

 

[vissarix]

I should mention that my current system is the most stable I have ever had. I'm very hesitant to do a complete system upgrade to just gain a couple of fps.

The GTA5 benchmark here shows roughly an 8% increase: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/?page=7
But I could not find anywhere in this test which frequency they ran the CPUs on, so I have to assume they were run at stock, which means the 2700 was run at 3.5Ghz. But I run mine at 4.4, so the gap would obviously be smaller than 8%. But yeah, the Skylake can of course also be overclocked, as you say.

I suppose it depends on the specific game. The difference in Shadow of Mordor is negligable. Have you found any benches which show a significant fps increase?

The difference in gaming is more then 8% when both clocked at 4.4ghz as showed in this review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0

more like 25-30% in cpu bound games

 

[Absolute0]

I know Anandtech's review has received some flak for pairing skylake with pretty mediocre DDR4. But their comparison of 6600K vs. 6700K should still hold true:

http://anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/22

What this shows is for gaming, with a good CPU, very small difference between 6600K and 6700K.

Worst 6600K showing:

Then there's games which just don't seem to care much about the CPU anyway:

All this i5 vs i7, enthusiast or not, high end or not. If I can get what I think is like 90-99% the performance for $100 less then I'd call that pretty fair. I'd consider a 6600K still high end. If overclocked, still enthusiast, just gaming enthusiast (GPU matters way more...). Don't need to encode/decode etc.

I imagine I'm going to be doing some pretty high-end, enthusiast level gaming on my 34" 3440x1440p monitor . Maybe someone chooses to define enthusiast as 3 monitors, 4K.. or 3 monitors at 4K. lol maybe one day I'll be rich.

 

[Pandamonia]

I know Anandtech's review has received some flak for pairing skylake with pretty mediocre DDR4. But their comparison of 6600K vs. 6700K should still hold true:

http://anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/22

What this shows is for gaming, with a good CPU, very small difference between 6600K and 6700K.

Worst 6600K showing:

Then there's games which just don't seem to care much about the CPU anyway:

All this i5 vs i7, enthusiast or not, high end or not. If I can get what I think is like 90-99% the performance for $100 less then I'd call that pretty fair. I'd consider a 6600K still high end. If overclocked, still enthusiast, just gaming enthusiast (GPU matters way more...). Don't need to encode/decode etc.

I imagine I'm going to be doing some pretty high-end, enthusiast level gaming on my 34" 3440x1440p monitor . Maybe someone chooses to define enthusiast as 3 monitors, 4K.. or 3 monitors at 4K. lol maybe one day I'll be rich.

Average frames useless metric for cpu

 

[Burpo]

NewEgg has plenty of i5 6600K's in stock.. Great reviews too..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0&et_p1=&email64=VEhFRFNTR1VZQEdNQUlMLkNPTQ==

 

[mscrivo]

Amazon 6700k pre-order has been taken down. It shot up to the #1 best seller in CPU's despite not even being available, in less than a day. That's crazy if you ask me.

 

[Whitestar127]

The difference in gaming is more then 8% when both clocked at 4.4ghz as showed in this review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0

more like 25-30% in cpu bound games

That video was quite enlightening, thanks. :thumbsup: