Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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tamz_msc

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There is no TBM 3.0 on desktop chips, though. It's only on the newer HEDT chips with more than 4 cores, Broadwell E and Skylake X.
8700K only has TB 2.0, just like Sandy Bridge through Kaby Lake.
So can an older unsupported OS interfere with Turbo 2.0? I wasn't aware that TB 3.0 was only for HEDT.
 

PhonakV30

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Older result - ST Score = 191 , MT Score 1420
Latest result - ST Score = 196 , MT Score = 1230


Why do you believe the last result is not representative but you believe the old one is with such a low ST score ??

From my view, the old result could be at a fixed 4.3GHz and thus the lower than 7700K ST score , when the last result could actually been at default clocks and thus the lower MT score.
1420/191 = 7.43455497382199
1230/196 = 6.275510204081633

So I think older result is close to reality.
 

VirtualLarry

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Re: "Windows 8" - Cinebench doesn't recognize Windows 10, it calls it Windows 8. So it was probably running Windows 10, being a new machine with a new CPU and all. IOW, just a reporting artifact.
 

LTC8K6

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So can an older unsupported OS interfere with Turbo 2.0? I wasn't aware that TB 3.0 was only for HEDT.
AFAIK:
TB 2.0 does not involve the OS.
TBM 3.0 with Broadwell E does involve the OS and has one favored core.
TBM 3.0 with Skylake X does involve the OS and has two favored cores.
Skylake X 4 core parts do not have TBM 3.0, only TB 2.0

TBM=Turbo Boost Max and requires a driver and in some cases needs to be turned on in BIOS.
 

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Eurocom: Z390 to support Intel's next-gen 8C/16T CPUs - H2-2018 launch

Eurocom Company Representative said:
We are planning to update Tornado F5 to Z390 chipset supporting 8C/16T CPUs coming in H2/18. We will launch F7 at the same time too. We will skip z370 chipset. Meantime we added support for Quadro P5000 and P3000.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/goto/post?id=10601641#post-10601641

Eurocom indirectly confirming Ice Lake support for Z390!
 
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Eurocom: Z390 to support Intel's next-gen 8C/16T CPUs - H2-2018 launch



http://forum.notebookreview.com/goto/post?id=10601641#post-10601641

Eurocom indirectly confirming Ice Lake support for Z390!

The big news for me is the 8 Core confirmation, it's a quite logical decision from Intel. Another nice MT bump is on course after Coffeelake 6C. And Intels 5W mobile part gets 4C. Icelake support for Z390 is no big surprise because of the IMVP9 support. Some people couldn't believe while some told that we can't rule out Icelake support because of IMVP9.
 
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Dayman1225

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So it seems Intel's 10nm isn't in as much dire as "analysts" like to claim, eh? This is great news! :D
 

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Assuming Z390 supports Ice Lake, then some possibilities about the socket and chipset:
  • Motherboards with different sockets, one supporting Skylake and derivatives, and another supporting Ice Lake and derivatives, indicating a decoupling of socket and chipset, and keeping with historical precedence of new architecture, new socket. Probably to become quite confusing.
  • Keeping with the above: Z390 is first wave, and 400 series is second wave.
  • Socket H4 supports Skylake and derivatives, and Ice Lake and derivatives, breaking historical precedence.
Ah whatever, it's getting complicated to continue making generalizations of socket H and its chipsets. Absolutely great to know an 8-core is going to plan.
 

eddman

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Eurocom indirectly confirming Ice Lake support for Z390!
I was slightly expecting Z390 to not support ICL so that I could upgrade to CFL/Z370 with piece of mind, knowing that Z390 wouldn't add much :D, but I can't wait a year anyway, so Z370 it is.

The big news for me is the 8 Core confirmation, it's a quite logical decision from Intel.
We'd probably finally have a logical i7/i5/i3 lineup of 8/16, 6/12 and 4/8 cores.
 

jpiniero

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So it seems Intel's 10nm isn't in as much dire as "analysts" like to claim, eh? This is great news! :D
At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if the 8 core was yet another 14 nm die. EMIB would be the ideal solution for their yield problems of course.
 

Dayman1225

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At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if the 8 core was yet another 14 nm die. EMIB would be the ideal solution for their yield problems of course.
I do wonder if EMIB will debut with Icelake as Intel claims its ready for prime time and Icelake should be what Intel calls an architecture change on PAO
 

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Mainstream 8 core intel CPUs?
It just doesn't stop getting better.
Thanks to AMD. :)

(Or don't you think, that if Intel was milking the market with quad-cores, and then finally released a mainstream hex-core, even if you don't belive that AMD prompted them to do that, why wouldn't they then just keep milking the market with a hex-core max on mainstream for the next ten years. Therefore, thanks to AMD, since Intel clearly got a fire lit under them.)
 
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Thanks to AMD. :)

(Or don't you think, that if Intel was milking the market with quad-cores, and then finally released a mainstream hex-core, even if you don't belive that AMD prompted them to do that, why wouldn't they then just keep milking the market with a hex-core max on mainstream for the next ten years. Therefore, thanks to AMD, since Intel clearly got a fire lit under them.)
Cannon Lake-S was supposed to have 8 cores on 10nm, but it was cancelled due to the 10nm issues. Coffee was added to the roadmap years ago as a stopgap.

This, "AMD is the only reason we get good stuff from Intel" meme is getting real old, real fast.
 

VirtualLarry

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This, "AMD is the only reason we get good stuff from Intel" meme is getting real old, real fast.
Well, don't you believe in capitalism, and competition? There's a reason that we have better technology than the Soviets did.

You really don't believe that AMD has ANY impact on Intel's designs, production, schedule, prices? I think that's harder to believe than what's blatantly obvious.
 
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Well, don't you believe in capitalism, and competition? There's a reason that we have better technology than the Soviets did.

You really don't believe that AMD has ANY impact on Intel's designs, production, schedule, prices? I think that's harder to believe than what's blatantly obvious.
TR/Ryzen led to a pull in of Skylake-X (as well as the use of HCC dies for HEDT) and Coffee Lake-S/Z370, but that's about it.
 
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eddman

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Thanks to AMD. :)

(Or don't you think, that if Intel was milking the market with quad-cores, and then finally released a mainstream hex-core, even if you don't belive that AMD prompted them to do that, why wouldn't they then just keep milking the market with a hex-core max on mainstream for the next ten years. Therefore, thanks to AMD, since Intel clearly got a fire lit under them.)
Was it necessary to have this thread derailed, again?
 

PeterScott

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Well, don't you believe in capitalism, and competition? There's a reason that we have better technology than the Soviets did.

You really don't believe that AMD has ANY impact on Intel's designs, production, schedule, prices? I think that's harder to believe than what's blatantly obvious.
Price can respond to competition, but product design OTOH, has to essentially fix designs years before delivery.

Cannon Lake 8 Core was on the roadmap for years, but 10nm choked forcing a contingency plan.

If 10nm didn't choke we might have had Cannon Lake, 8 cores before Ryzen.

Would you then be arguing that 8 core Ryzen was because of Intel? ;)
 

Zucker2k

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Well, don't you believe in capitalism, and competition? There's a reason that we have better technology than the Soviets did.

You really don't believe that AMD has ANY impact on Intel's designs, production, schedule, prices? I think that's harder to believe than what's blatantly obvious.
I do. That's why I don't like pointing it out all the time; as if AMD released 8 cores into the mainstream market in a vacuum. You've got Intel to thank for... never mind.
 

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