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I'm bored of Skylake X, I want me some Coffee Lake 6C 14nm++ goodness. 
I have an identical craving... But man if it's Oct - Nov for an actual launch... I am so hell bend on August. Keep in mind that I likely won't buy upon launch but rather a few weeks later to unearth any issues and get a stable BIOS.I'm bored of Skylake X, I want me some Coffee Lake 6C 14nm++ goodness.![]()
TR won't be winning any game benchmarks, that's for sure.I may eat my words, but the upcoming Threadripper will be great at workstation loads (will beat many Intel processors) and probably not very good at gaming (not bad, mind you, but not a 7740k killer either).
jonnyGURU;951591 said:So, as Tom knows, I tested this same PSU with a 300W load on a single EPS12V connector.
Temperatures of the connector pins never got near 40°C. Voltage only dropped .22V despite having only three 20 AWG wires going to a four pin EPS12V. With that said, I go back on what I said and will say that I would GLADLY use this PSU's, or any PSU's, EPS12V connector to push 300W of power.
I don't doubt the guy believes his results... but something is wrong with either a piece of his kit or his thermometer.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1632870/skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-combined-discussion/200#post_26197736
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Just one set of limited results, but the mesh/L3/RAM memory latency impact is huge for Skylake X.
It's clear that the beast needs to be fed better. Hopefully, with the 14nm++ refresh (Cascade Lake) Intel ships these things with faster L3 cache and higher out-of-the-box memory speed support.http://www.overclock.net/t/1632870/skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-combined-discussion/200#post_26197736
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Just one set of limited results, but the mesh/L3/RAM memory latency impact is huge for Skylake X.
Wow, so basically der8auer spread a lot of FUD for no reason.Read this please regarding the VRM: https://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=951591&postcount=18
Don't know about that, it sure seems like a sample of one was enough to put der8auer in the FUD section.And that, my dear friends, is why a sample size of one isn't enough to make any reliable conclusions.
Yea, but it gets him a lot of clicks. It is the old fart in me I guess, but I always take youtube videos with a large grain of salt.Wow, so basically der8auer spread a lot of FUD for no reason.
And that, my dear friends, is why a sample size of one isn't enough to make any reliable conclusions.
The low uncore frequency compared to the core frequency has me surprised in all honesty! You'd think they'd know it needed to be much higher to be beneficial (they probably did know). Do you think Intel will stay with current cache size models or go back to < L2 & > L3? Can they even go back with the mesh architecture?It's clear that the beast needs to be fed better. Hopefully, with the 14nm++ refresh (Cascade Lake) Intel ships these things with faster L3 cache and higher out-of-the-box memory speed support.
Yeah seems that way. JonnyGuru has been making more posts in several OC3D forum threads in which he elaborates a bit; too many to look for and link, however I'm sure he has them on his own site/channel/whatever as well.Wow, so basically der8auer spread a lot of FUD for no reason.
And that, my dear friends, is why a sample size of one isn't enough to make any reliable conclusions.
I'm sure the L2 and L3 will be tweaked. The mesh is staying though, it's got to be a prerequisite for EMIB.Do you think Intel will stay with current cache size models or go back to < L2 & > L3? Can they even go back with the mesh architecture?
How could I not think of that (regarding the mesh)! I know the EMIB basics but would like to know more; do you have any sites you can recommend me?I'm sure the L2 and L3 will be tweaked. The mesh is staying though, it's got to be a prerequisite for EMIB.
You guys should cut him some slack. A week ago, when he promised those great overclocks with i9-7900X, remember that people were reposting his stuff gladly.Wow, so basically der8auer spread a lot of FUD for no reason.
Er, I'm sure the reason Caseking.de (and overclockers.co.uk which is also owned by Caseking but has 8pack instead of der8auer) employ these top overclockers is so that they can sell more stuff and especially their picked overclock bundles. And Skylake-X is a high priced item which is exactly what they like to sell there.Yea, but it gets him a lot of clicks. It is the old fart in me I guess, but I always take youtube videos with a large grain of salt.
I don't know about FUD, but he just lost allot of credibility, IMO.Wow, so basically der8auer spread a lot of FUD for no reason.
And that, my dear friends, is why a sample size of one isn't enough to make any reliable conclusions.
I don't know about FUD, but he just lost allot of credibility, IMO.
I wouldn't go that far haha. I think he was being genuine in his video but he had other factors that caused the unusually high VRM temperatures.I agree. I understand there is a lot of pent up Intel hatred but I have to wonder how much AMD is paying him.
If the connectors and wires are hot, that means there's power being dissipated over the cable and voltage is dropping across it. If the voltage drop is significant, the VRMs will need to pull more current to sustain its output voltage.Wait, the PSU can cause high temps on its connectors and cables if they are too thin or too little wires/bad connectors. But how could the PSU cause higher VRM (voltage regulators on the board) temps?
There's obviously something wrong with either his PSU or cableIf the connectors and wires are hot, that means there's power being dissipated over the cable and voltage is dropping across it. If the voltage drop is significant, the VRMs will need to pull more current to sustain its output voltage.
So the question now is why is der8auer's cable so hot when other people don't see the issue.
Why do you think no one been able to replicate his results?Again, that can't increase temperature of his onboard VRM significantly. The cable was a separate problem, caused likely by the fancy PSU having some silly special connectors to look pretty.
The VRMs overheating is a different issue, and could have only been caused by inadequate cooling or too high power losses, IMHO. At 300W CPU consumption, it is not weird for those small heatsinks that don't have proper fins to be inadequate.
Silicon lottery had the same issues with VRM temps. It wasn't a sample size of one. It was two highly credible sources telling everyone the same thing about VRM temps. Maybe there are VRM cooling issues with some boards. Maybe others are fine. There could have been some manufacturing inconsistency due to the rushed nature of the release. We won't actually know the truth for another month or so when tons of people report their own findings. The Intel hate bandwagon is exciting and all, but I hope this temp issue was just a misunderstanding or mistake. We need competition and solid products from both camps. That's the only way we all win.Why do you think no one been able to replicate his results?