Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[LTC8K6]

That doesnt really explain it though. The boards should obviously be designed to handle overclocking as well.

Yep, these are unlocked chips meant for enthusiasts.

 

[beginner99]

That doesnt really explain it though. The boards should obviously be designed to handle overclocking as well.

They are factory-OCed! A new Intel feature!

 

[french toast]

Overall skylake x is a good chip in 7820 guise, but it's clearly not a great one, this is the first time in a decade I've seen Intel release a decent but not great chip in a decade (outside of baseband and atom)

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Too much to read here in reply to Der8auer's vid so I'll post 3 very useful links here with pics and a couple of good posts by OC3D's Tom Logan, which basically and at least indicate the guy's PSU (ouch to an overclocker):

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=81071

https://forum.overclock3d.net/search.php?searchid=3756192

https://www.facebook.com/tinytomlog...125641228357/1707642909276615/?type=3&theater

(Yes, I made this post in both SKL-X threads because it's important.)

 

[TheF34RChannel]

They are factory-OCed! A new Intel feature!

It does seem to look that way, that future CPUs are following GPUs in being so nicely factory OC'd there's little left for the user in terms of manual tweaking?

 

[.vodka]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1631319/skylake-x-binning/150#post_26189935

This is Silicon Lottery:

Will likely be evening time.

I am having trouble with some of these X299 motherboards. I've bought a wide variety for this launch, and none of them are really handling the load of an overclocked 7900X as well as I'd expect. VRM temps through the roof and boards throttling.

It's not an isolated issue, even if it's a multifaceted one.

 

[Atari2600]

They are factory-OCed! A new Intel feature!

I know your a beginner so I'd advise you google the Pentium 4 emergency edition!

 

[dark zero]

What the... So overclocking the chip is hard due the hot chipset? So... OEMs and Intel made an analogue of the chipset of the Snapdragon 810?

What is going on?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1631319/skylake-x-binning/150#post_26189935

This is Silicon Lottery:



It's not an isolated issue, even if it's a multifaceted one.

Okay, so that's two (2!!!!) people world wide having issues at the time of writing, and how many people currently have the platform...? This is typically what's wrong with the internet; 1 bad things gets out and it grows exponentially within mere hours and there's almost no coming back from it. So, I made my post above with the three links and I am going to leave it at that (and remember, I am not and will not be on the platform so I have no horse in this race) because I really do not feel like 'taking on' the entire internet that latches on and consumes any bad thread they can find. So...coffee refill!

 

[ManyThreads]

I ordered an Asus TUF Mk1 which has an 8 pin + 4 pin power connector - do you guys think that is enough for the 8C 7820 and a light OC to maybe 4.5 on all cores instead of just turbo 3.0?

UF Features:
TUF ENGINE! Power Design :
- 8 +2 Digital Phase Power Design
- TUF Components (Choke, Cap. & MOSFET; certified by military-standard)

1 x 8-pin ATX 12V Power connector(s)
1 x 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector(s)

 

[Malogeek]

What the... So overclocking the chip is hard due the hot chipset? So... OEMs and Intel made an analogue of the chipset of the Snapdragon 810?

Due to requiring so much power to achieve the high clocks.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I ordered an Asus TUF Mk1 which has an 8 pin + 4 pin power connector - do you guys think that is enough for the 8C 7820 and a light OC to maybe 4.5 on all cores instead of just turbo 3.0?

UF Features:
TUF ENGINE! Power Design :
- 8 +2 Digital Phase Power Design
- TUF Components (Choke, Cap. & MOSFET; certified by military-standard)

1 x 8-pin ATX 12V Power connector(s)
1 x 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector(s)

Congrats on your purchase: posting a few setup pics is now required (the same goes for you @Edrick)

You'll only need the 8-pin CPU connector for anything at least up to the 10C + OC (the others we don't know because they aren't out yet).

 

[Edrick]

Congrats on your purchase: posting a few setup pics is now required (the same goes for you @Edrick)

I am posting all my information (pics as well) in the other Skylake-X thread.

 

[richierich1212]

Okay, so that's two (2!!!!) people world wide having issues at the time of writing, and how many people currently have the platform...? This is typically what's wrong with the internet; 1 bad things gets out and it grows exponentially within mere hours and there's almost no coming back from it. So, I made my post above with the three links and I am going to leave it at that (and remember, I am not and will not be on the platform so I have no horse in this race) because I really do not feel like 'taking on' the entire internet that latches on and consumes any bad thread they can find. So...coffee refill!

There are definitely power issues with the X299 platform. Either with the inadequate VRM specs to 8-pin power delivery to power consumption.

AMD bashers used to rag on AMD for these issues all the time. Tables are now reversed and Intel supporters are trying to find excuses to put this in good light.

We are talking about Intel here. The top CPU manufacturer that made 59.4B in revenue last year (10.3 Net) while AMD had 4.27B in revenue (497M Net loss).

Intel charges a higher premium for their products. If I'm going to pay the higher price for their products then yes, I am going to hold them more accountable for F-ups. Especially with their market dominance.

 

[ManyThreads]

Congrats on your purchase: posting a few setup pics is now required (the same goes for you @Edrick)

You'll only need the 8-pin CPU connector for anything at least up to the 10C + OC (the others we don't know because they aren't out yet).

Thanks! Will it hurt anything to use both power connectors? I'd rather the power be available just in case.

CPU is in stock but still waiting on the mobo. I also wouldn't mind your opinion on an 850W or 1000W Power Supply (EVGA SuperNOVA G3 for sure - but it's a SuperFlower so I am trying to figure out if it has the same issue as der8auer) for the following:

7820K w/ mild OC to 4.5-4.6 on all cores if I am lucky
ASUS TUF Mk1
Nvidia TITAN X (Maxwell 250W)
32GB RAM (Probably 3000-3200 Mhz)
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB
Samsung 850 256 GB
4X HDD
Noctua NH-D15
3X Corsair ML 140 Pro case fans


The only thing that will seriously chap my ass is if Intel releases soldered versions or if mobo manufacturers revise existing Mobo's for better VRMs. Not sure what the chances of those are.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Thanks! Will it hurt anything to use both power connectors? I'd rather the power be available just in case.

CPU is in stock but still waiting on the mobo. I also wouldn't mind your opinion on an 850W or 1000W Power Supply (EVGA SuperNOVA G3 for sure - but it's a SuperFlower so I am trying to figure out if it has the same issue as der8auer) for the following:

7820K w/ mild OC to 4.5-4.6 on all cores if I am lucky
ASUS TUF Mk1
Nvidia TITAN X (Maxwell 250W)
32GB RAM (Probably 3000-3200 Mhz)
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB
Samsung 850 256 GB
4X HDD
Noctua NH-D15
3X Corsair ML 140 Pro case fans


The only thing that will seriously chap my ass is if Intel releases soldered versions or if mobo manufacturers revise existing Mobo's for better VRMs. Not sure what the chances of those are.

It doesn't hurt to use both cables. The second one is there for e.g. those doing extreme LN2 OC'ing and in need of loads more power.

Hmm 850W should be fine but having a 1000W overkill PSU can't hurt either; just pick whichever feels right to you and is the cheapest maybe? I'd take the 850W if it were me. I also believe you will be fine with EVGA's models, 'despite' them being SF PSUs.

 

[ManyThreads]

It doesn't hurt to use both cables. The second one is there for e.g. those doing extreme LN2 OC'ing and in need of loads more power.

Hmm 850W should be fine but having a 1000W overkill PSU can't hurt either; just pick whichever feels right to you and is the cheapest maybe? I'd take the 850W if it were me. I also believe you will be fine with EVGA's models, 'despite' them being SF PSUs.

Thanks. There is a hefty price bump from 850 to 1000, but I will pay the difference if it's warranted. I guess I can run a stress test and exchange it if necessary - my UPS tells me what the power draw from the wall is so if it's anywhere near 800W during a benchmark I might opt for the 1000W.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Thanks. There is a hefty price bump from 850 to 1000, but I will pay the difference if it's warranted. I guess I can run a stress test and exchange it if necessary - my UPS tells me what the power draw from the wall is so if it's anywhere near 800W during a benchmark I might opt for the 1000W.

If your current setup, with a single GPU, draws anything close to 800W I'll eat glass.

 

[ManyThreads]

If your current setup, with a single GPU, draws anything close to 800W I'll eat glass.

One thing tempting me to the 1000W unit was Johnny Guru's ridiculously positive review :

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=494

His 850W review is very positive too, but he can't seem to be able to get over how good that 1000W is haha.

My other thought was that it might run fanless more often if I'm not even coming close to maxing it out.

My current system (i7 3770K OC'd to 4.4 and same rest of the previously mentioned specs except 16GB RAM and no M2 SSD) pulls 400+W from the wall while gaming if I recall correctly.

 

[LTC8K6]

If this is a real and common problem, then it won't stay under the radar. People are going to notice.

With the chips with more cores, they are really going to notice.

There's no way this will blow over if it's real.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

One thing tempting me to the 1000W unit was Johnny Guru's ridiculously positive review :

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=494

His 850W review is very positive too, but he can't seem to be able to get over how good that 1000W is haha.

My other thought was that it might run fanless more often if I'm not even coming close to maxing it out.

My current system (i7 3770K OC'd to 4.4 and same rest of the previously mentioned specs except 16GB RAM and no M2 SSD) pulls 400+W from the wall while gaming if I recall correctly.

He he!

I have never ever seen the fan on mine turning on - I have the Platinum (P) edition. That said, I stand by your new system not pulling anything near 800W in its entirety.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I know your a beginner so I'd advise you google the Pentium 4 emergency edition!

Or hell the 1.4 GHz Thunderbird Athlons. Those things were close to the razor's edge @ stock. Still awesome, but whew they got toasty.

I really wasn't expecting Skylake-X to be the same way.

Getting popcorn + lawnchair on the VRM issue since I have no personal experience with it. We'll see how this pans out with additional testing.

 

[aigomorla]

There are definitely power issues with the X299 platform. Either with the inadequate VRM specs to 8-pin power delivery to power consumption.

Intel charges a higher premium for their products. If I'm going to pay the higher price for their products then yes, I am going to hold them more accountable for F-ups. Especially with their market dominance.

This is why u dont buy hashware, launchware, and prelaunch fabs.

I cant stress how much i grief i had with nehalem and gulftown running boards with beta bios.

I remember when i was testing stress points for gulftown, i had to email Peter aka Shimano almost every other day letting him know the bios needs tweeking.

"At one point in time he was like are you sure ur chip isnt bad?"

I replied to him its happening on all 5 gulftowns i got from intel after showing him these pictures.

After that he just put me on a massmail list of all the beta bios's the classified went though.
But it took a while for that board to be fully stable and get its crown as the best lga1366 board in existence.

Fun fact.... the gulftowns were suposed to be labeled as i9's originally, but intel changed them back to i7's at retail.

You can see realtemp reading the microcode on the cpu as i9...

 

[Edrick]

There are definitely power issues with the X299 platform. Either with the inadequate VRM specs to 8-pin power delivery to power consumption.

So trying to OC a 10C chip to the same speeds as a 4C chip, and people are surprised that the heat, power, and voltage are increasing? Really?

Bottom line is at stock turbo speeds (and mild OCs), these chips are more efficient than some of their desktop class counterparts. The story only changes when you push the OC higher.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Lookie what came in the mail today!!