Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Azuma Hazuki]

If CFL on 1151 is above 95W TDP the chip is dead on arrival. Can you imagine someone sticking one of those into one of those cheapo ECS or Biostar H210 (310?) motherboards? Yeeeek... D:

 

[Ajay]

ShopBLT's latest listings...

Xeon Gold 5122 - 12C 3.6 GHz Base for $1,265.36
http://www.shopblt.com/item/intel-xeon-gold-5122-processor-16.5m/intel_cd8067303330702.html

Well, this gives some insight into what a 12c SKX is likely to be

 

[lolfail9001]

Well, this gives some insight into what a 12c SKX is likely to be

The $1700 SKU? That was fairly trivial to figure out, wasn't it.

Also, i am 100% certain that 5122 is 3.6Ghz single core turbo.

 

[Ajay]

The $1700 SKU? That was fairly trivial to figure out, wasn't it.

Also, i am 100% certain that 5122 is 3.6Ghz single core turbo.

It's $1.3K, for the Server variant. I have no idea what the turbo actually is. Anyway, I said insight - not factual absolutes.

 

[formulav8]

If CFL on 1151 is above 95W TDP the chip is dead on arrival. Can you imagine someone sticking one of those into one of those cheapo ECS or Biostar H210 (310?) motherboards

Remember Tdp is not the actual power consumption. It's specified for thermal dissipation reasons. Its related somewhat to power but not the actual power draw. The power draw is usually less on average.

 

[frozentundra123456]

If CFL on 1151 is above 95W TDP the chip is dead on arrival. Can you imagine someone sticking one of those into one of those cheapo ECS or Biostar H210 (310?) motherboards? Yeeeek... D:

Doubt very many people are going to buy a top of the line brand new hex core and not know what motherboard it requires.

 

[ehume]

I don't get this discussion about mb's. When I test a heatsink,it really doesn't matter what motherboard a cpu is inhabiting. We are far more interested in the heatsink or the aio.

 

[blue11]

The 5120 seems right in line with their existing 14C products (core count, speed, and price). But that 5122 is way, way faster than their existing 12C parts, yet it is at about the same price. What am I missing? Sure, there is a little less cache, but that is just far faster. Is it limited in some other way?

The Gold 5122 is an XCC-derived 4C SKU similar to E5-2637v4 and E7-8893v4. It forms a niche SKU that offers the high end platform features and full cache size with low core count. Basically a way to recycle defective dies.

 

[Bouowmx]

Motherboards should deliver sufficient power for the processor; see: AMD FX-9370 and 9590, and Intel Xeon Phi for LGA. You're right that Intel motherboard power delivery for socket H is being brought up is odd, because few users ever do bring the topic up; hasn't been an important factor in processor performance.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

It's not the delivery that worries me so much as the ability of the VRMs to handle it, especially under load for sustained time periods. There is a reason I haven't given Biostar the time of day since Socket 939...

 

[moonbogg]

So what features is X299 expected to have over X99? I assume its mainly just the new CPU's. PCI-E 3.0, DD4 quad channel, similar number of lanes, M.2. etc. Anything beyond X99?

 

[tamz_msc]

That pricing is not what you're going to see on Ark.

 

[Ajay]

So what features is X299 expected to have over X99? I assume its mainly just the new CPU's. PCI-E 3.0, DD4 quad channel, similar number of lanes, M.2. etc. Anything beyond X99?

Well, X299 - so it's a 200 series chipset that just supports quad channel and more cores.

 

[dullard]

The Gold 5122 is an XCC-derived 4C SKU similar to E5-2637v4 and E7-8893v4. It forms a niche SKU that offers the high end platform features and full cache size with low core count. Basically a way to recycle defective dies.

If it is 4 core, then it makes sense. But the rumors (including the post that I quoted) are that it is 12 cores. 12 cores at 3.6 GHz doesn't seem feasible at that price and power level.

 

[tamz_msc]

So therefore it means that Intel changed the naming scheme to prevent speculation on the Internet.

 

[Sweepr]

Exclusive: Skylake-X (Core i9) Lineup and Specifications

Core i9-7920X
12C/24T
16.5MB L3
44 PCIe lanes
Clocks TBD (August Launch)

Core i9-7900X
10C/20T
13.75MB L3
44 PCIe Lanes
3.3Ghz Base
4.3Ghz Turbo 2.0
4.5Ghz Turbo 3.0!

Core i9-7820X
8C/16T
11MB L3
28 PCIe Lanes
3.6Ghz Base
4.3Ghz Turbo 2.0
4.5Ghz Turbo 3.0

Core i9-7800X
6C/12T
8.25MB L3
28 PCIe Lanes
3.5Ghz Base
4.0Ghz Turbo 2.0

Core i7-7740K
4C/8T
8MB L3
16 PCIe Lanes
4.3Ghz Base
4.5Ghz Turbo 2.0

Core i7-7640K
4C/4T
6MB L3
16 PCIe Lanes
4.0Ghz Base
4.2Ghz Turbo 2.0

- L2 cache = 1MB (Skylake-X), 4x as much as Core i7-7700K
- Dual DDR4-2666 for Kaby Lake-X / Quad DDR4-2666 for Skylake-X
- 112W for Kaby Lake-X / up to 140W for Skylake-X
- Apparently all Core i9 parts support AVX-512 (TBC)
- Launch in June, except 7920X (August)

Will share the image you guys want as soon as I'm allowed to.

Edit: Here's one

Edit 2: Up to 140W instead of up to 160W for Skylake-X

 

[Edrick]

Hoping the 7820X is under $600.

 

[dullard]

Exclusive: Skylake-X (Core i9) Lineup and Specifications

Thanks for sharing. The 7800X, if priced competitively, would probably be the chip that fits best with most workloads. But the 7820X seems like a really great chip. Intel's chips are cache starved, and this helps that a lot. 28 PCIe lanes will really open up the market for fast drives and devices (having just one M.2 port really hampers people). Plus it is slightly faster than the 7700K. The extra cores may help a few use cases, but I honestly don't think cores are the issue for most people right now (and if cores are the issue, there are already plenty of chips with high core count).

 

[raghu78]

Very nice turbo clocks on 8C and 10C. Waiting to see the performance and pricing.

 

[WingZero30]

Wow Sweepr you are the man !!!

 

[dullard]

Hoping the 7820X is under $600.

My estimate (not based on knowledge, but instead on how Intel has been pricing their chips, including the i7 extreme which the i9 seems to be a replacement for):
7900X: $1000
7820X: $580
7800X: $400
7740K: $350
7640K: $250

 

[tamz_msc]

My estimate (not based on knowledge, but instead on how Intel has been pricing their chips, including the i7 extreme which the i9 seems to be a replacement for):
7900X: $1000
7820X: $580
7800X: $400
7740K: $350
7640K: $250

That pricing is too tight for the high margins that Intel aims for with HEDT.

Anyhow, it looks like they reduced the number of PCIe lanes on the eight core part.

 

[scannall]

My estimate (not based on knowledge, but instead on how Intel has been pricing their chips, including the i7 extreme which the i9 seems to be a replacement for):
7900X: $1000
7820X: $580
7800X: $400
7740K: $350
7640K: $250

Yeah, not going to happen. Once you kill your margins, you can almost never get them back. At this point, while Ryzen is good and they are selling them. It still isn't a speedbump to Intel's bottom line. In 12-18 months if Ryzen heads to the stratosphere then they *might* reduce margins a bit. But both are unlikely.

 

[moonbogg]

So they change their branding to i9? That's interesting. Looks like they are doing what they can to make these feel revolutionary and new. They are new and look to be great, but the i9 naming seems unjustified IMO. What is AVX-512 good for?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Exclusive: Skylake-X (Core i9) Lineup and Specifications

Core i9-7920X
12C/24T
16.5MB L3
44 PCIe lanes
Clocks TBD (August Launch)

Core i9-7900X
10C/20T
13.75MB L3
44 PCIe Lanes
3.3Ghz Base
4.3Ghz Turbo 2.0
4.5Ghz Turbo 3.0!

Core i9-7820X
8C/16T
11MB L3
28 PCIe Lanes
3.6Ghz Base
4.3Ghz Turbo 2.0
4.5Ghz Turbo 3.0

Core i9-7800X
6C/12T
8.25MB L3
28 PCIe Lanes
3.5Ghz Base
4.0Ghz Turbo 2.0

Core i7-7740K
4C/8T
8MB L3
16 PCIe Lanes
4.3Ghz Base
4.5Ghz Turbo 2.0

Core i7-7640K
4C/4T
6MB L3
16 PCIe Lanes
4.0Ghz Base
4.2Ghz Turbo 2.0

- L2 cache = 1MB (Skylake-X), 4x as much as Core i7-7700K
- Dual DDR4-2666 for Kaby Lake-X / Quad DDR4-2666 for Skylake-X
- 112W for Kaby Lake-X / up to 160W for Skylake-X
- Apparently all Core i9 parts support AVX-512 (TBC)
- Launch in June, except 7920X (August)

Will share the image you guys want as soon as I'm allowed to.

Dat 7900X...