Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Arachnotronic]

Is it made on 32nm or 22nm?

22nm.

 

[witeken]

No problem then. Intel's triangular fins still rocking on .

 

[Arachnotronic]

No problem then. Intel's triangular fins still rocking on .

Woefully outdated

 

[jpiniero]

I had hoped Canon Lake would be the time they would move the PCH ondie, but that seems less likely now.

 

[witeken]

Woefully outdated

But with the best yields ever in the history of the semiconductor industry, cheaper than dirt.

 

[Nothingness]

But with the best yields ever in the history of the semiconductor industry, cheaper than dirt.

Probably more expensive when you take into account the extra assembling/packaging price.

 

[Sweepr]

Core i7-7700K Compared to Existing CPUs from Intel/AMD

Compared to i7-6700K: 7.3% faster @ Multi-Media / 8.6% faster @ CPU Arithmetic. Almost matches 4.6 GHz (OC) i7-6700K.

Source mentions 7-11% gains at stock, better overclocker than i7-6700K as well.

 

[Nothingness]

That's basically the 7% gain of the turbo 4.2 GHz -> 4.5 GHz.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Probably more expensive when you take into account the extra assembling/packaging price.

It probably is in terms of absolute costs, but they may have deemed it safer in case they mess up. If something like Sandy Bridge chipset bug happens again, the recall costs would be enormous, if the chipset is on die. The possibility that they have to be so cautious to avoid mistakes, makes me sad. Recent events make it sound like its a company in decline. When you have chief architects moving to other companies, and you start losing technological leadership, the only thing left is for the company itself to die.

Iris graphics being canned is likely another proof that they are being very very conservative and cautious. What happened to the "develop cutting edge technologies so it can propagate down to lower end chips"? Is the situation regarding manufacturing that bad? They were THE KING of manufacturing. Is the end of shrinking transistors marked by the end of the company that represented shrinking transistors?

 

[coercitiv]

Iris graphics being canned

Iris is getting canned?

 

[Phynaz]

Iris is getting canned?

Iris Pro has not shown up in any Kaby Lake product information yet. Iris is alive and well.

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/09/20/intel-corporations-iris-pro-is-history.aspx

The roadmap doesn't mention GT4e, so yeah unless Intel straight out refutes this & puts GT4e in a future roadmap, Iris Pro is probably getting the chop.

 

[coercitiv]

The roadmap doesn't mention GT4e, so yeah unless Intel straight out refutes this & puts GT4e in a future roadmap, Iris Pro is probably getting the chop.

So Iris Pro is getting canned, Iris is still on the roadmap for mobile products, eDRAM cache included.

 

[Glo.]

Guys, Before GT4E, there was only GT3e model of GPU... GT4e is what was GT3e before, and GT3e in Skylake evolved from adding the eDRAM to the GT2 iGPU. Thats all.


Highest end Intel GPUs are not going anywhere. They are just getting merged into one GPU line...

 

[lolfail9001]

Well, GT4e was not exactly in any products except Skull Canyon.

And from what it looks like, it was severely power limited in it.

 

[Arachnotronic]

So Iris Pro is getting canned, Iris is still on the roadmap for mobile products, eDRAM cache included.

Iris makes sense because in thermally/space constrained form factors, there is value to a larger iGPU.

In a larger, higher power laptop, a dGPU + Optimus/Enduro tech is probably the ideal solution -- low power GT2 for most tasks, dGPU for games and other 3D-intensive applications.

Iris Pro could make sense if the performance were there and the cost were manageable, but I'd imagine with a large 22nm die on the package + the significant increase to the main SoC die, the cost of a low-end dGPU is probably about the same but perf/power is better.

 

[witeken]

Qualcomm just illustrated why IDM is so effective in semiconductor industry:

“The number one issue is data,” said Michael Campbell, senior vice president of engineering at Qualcomm. “The fab gives you a design deck. You have a library. You give them the fab tape and get back silicon, and then you ship out the customer spec. That has to change. A simplistic relationship does not work with 2 billion transistors. And with servers, you’re ultimately looking at 25 billion transistors.”

Campbell said foundries need to share more data with semiconductor companies so the entire manufacturing process can become more interactive. “This affects time to yield, time to manufacturing and time to quality. We have to have a partnership where yield means something. Right now the cost is too high.”

http://semiengineering.com/grappling-with-chip-manufacturing-data/

 

[jpiniero]

So Iris Pro is getting canned, Iris is still on the roadmap for mobile products, eDRAM cache included.

Except they are burying it in a 4+3e U model that no OEM will use. The 6+2 H should get some interest, as well as the Kaby 4+2 U (if it comes out).

 

[lolfail9001]

Except they are burying it in a 4+3e U model that no OEM will use. The 6+2 H should get some interest, as well as the Kaby 4+2 U (if it comes out).

4+3e U model? That is actually something that may easily land into some higher end laptops, similarly to 2+3e SKU right now.

 

[witeken]

Does anyone actually know why Intel has stopped the Ultrabook brand?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Does anyone actually know why Intel has stopped the Ultrabook brand?

I think that "thin and light" is the more used generic non-trademarked term, and their new darling is "2-in-1".

 

[dark zero]

Seems that Intel saw that nVIDIA and AMD managed to outperform them very hard to the point to can't catch them up.
This is worse than they felt on mobile when even Mediatek took their advantage against their CPUs.

 

[Sweepr]

We might or might not see a GT4e SKU again, but Iris is alive and well - with 2+3e Kaby Lake launching soon and 4+3e Coffee Lake in the works. I also expect a significant boost to iGPU performance with Gen 10, via increased number of EUs and/or architecture improvements.

Intel® Core™ i5-7360U CPU @ 2.30GHz (Iris™ Graphics 640) shows up at GFXBench

https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&os=Windows&api=gl&D=Intel(R)+Core(TM)+i5-7360U+CPU+with+Iris(TM)+Graphics+640&testgroup=overall

Will be interesting to see how the new Iris 640 fares at 15W. Surface Pro 4 with Iris 540 suffered from thermal throttling, limiting performance after some time. Given that KBL-U tends to use less power at the same frequencies as SKL-U, perhaps GT3e will be able to use a few extra watts during long gaming sessions (distancing itself from HD 620) - I hope NotebookCheck tests this.

 

[witeken]

According to Ashraf, 7nm will be finFET: http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/09/23/key-detail-of-intel-corporations-7-nanometer-techn.aspx.

This makes sense if Intel is going to continue the 2 node cycle of new technologies: 10nm will be III-V and Ge channel with a quantum well finFET, so 7nm might just be an improvement of that, like how 14nm is improvement of 22nm finFET.

So, so much for Ashraf's articles about the futuristic 7nm: http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...massive-plans-for-its-7-nanometer-proces.aspx. (Unless III-V + Ge or QWFET is delayed to 7nm.) So much for those "massive plans" FUD.

I am getting very tired of all those job listings and LinkedIn profiles.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I don't know why you've become so Intel-cynical.

Two of the greatest Intel defenders on this forum, III-V and Arachnotronic have turned away from Intel. Any Intel fans left, or has the fanbase just become less polarized ?

One should call out technology successes and failures for what they are, in a discussion forum.

Admittedly one has an easier time of things pointing out Intel's failures than other brands, as Intel's dominance means that there isn't the same irrational desire to White Knight for Intel.