Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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ShintaiDK

ShintaiDK

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Yep, also back in the 100s in stock around here. When it was worst you had to wait 7-10 days to buy one at MSRP prices.
 
AtenRa

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Personally today I would wait for the new 6-Core Broadwell-E than get the Core i7 6700K.
 
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tornadog

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Just an FYI, the mflash program in MSI Z170A Gaming Krait motherboard does not recognize the overclocking bios file uploaded to onedrive. So I cannot overclock my 6500 just yet :(
 
Burpo

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tornadog said:
Just an FYI, the mflash program in MSI Z170A Gaming Krait motherboard does not recognize the overclocking bios file uploaded to onedrive. So I cannot overclock my 6500 just yet :(
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Just download the file yourself and put it on the USB drive..
 
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tornadog

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Burpo said:
Just download the file yourself and put it on the USB drive..
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Oops that's what I meant. I downloaded the file and put it on a USB stick but in mflash the USB drive shows up empty, it's not seeing the bios file.


I saw couple of other people having same issue with this specific motherboard.
 
Burpo

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tornadog said:
Oops that's what I meant. I downloaded the file and put it on a USB stick but in mflash the USB drive shows up empty, it's not seeing the bios file.


I saw couple of other people having same issue with this specific motherboard.
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You have to unzip it, then copy the files to the USB.. You should start a thread in motherboards or General Hardware.
 
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Fjodor2001

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Fjodor2001 said:
If you're prepared to wait that long, you might as well consider waiting for AMD Zen which is expected in 2016Q4 to see how they compare.
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If you're prepared to wait that long, you might as well consider Intel Skylake-E, which is expected in H1-2017 to see how they compare. Can't play the waiting game forever.

Also if you're not interested in the 8C/16T or 10C/20T models, better buy a discounted Haswell-E right now.
 
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Arachnotronic

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Sweepr said:
If you're prepared to wait that long, you might as well consider Intel Skylake-E, which is expected in H1-2017 to see how they compare. Can't play the waiting game forever.

Also if you're not interested in the 8C/16T or 10C/20T models, might as well buy a discounted Haswell-E right now.
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Kabylake also comes in Q4'16, let's not forget that one, could bring some nice ST performance improvements over Skylake.
 
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cbn

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Can't wait till we get eight cores on Mainstream.

Then the chances of getting processors binned with four fast cores increases.

(re: Four fast cores from a quad core die requires 100% of the cores to be good ones, but four fast cores from a octocore die only requires 50% of the cores to be good ones).

With that mentioned, I think having octocore on mainstream will be good for other reasons as well.
 
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Ajay

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Fjodor2001 said:
Broadwell-E has been delayed until late 2016Q2. Will be launched at Computex 2016:

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/3259_benchlife.info_broadwell_e_launches_at_computex_2016

If you're prepared to wait that long, you might as well consider waiting for AMD Zen which is expected in 2016Q4 to see how they compare.
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Thanks! I think there is zero likelihood that I'd buy a Zen CPU unless it crushed Intel in someway (like the price/performance of the K7 and outright performance of the K8) with decent perf/watt numbers. I would be delighted to see Zen match the performance of current Intel CPUs, but I think it's unlikely and the best quality motherboards seem to be Intel based.

I'm at the point where I want to upgrade, but coming up with the dosh is a problem since I like the longevity I've gotten out of an old high performance system. I'll probably wait till I can afford a 16FF+ next gen GTX 980 class GPU, 6-8 core CPU, 32 GB of 2400 MHz DDR4 or faster and at least a 1/2 GB M.2x4 NVme SSD all on a solid motherboard w/good overclocking.
 
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Seems like an easy call right now to ignore Skylake completely and either go with the 4970K+cheapest board you can get (and not overclock) or the 5820K. You'd be good for games for a very long time with either.

Given the yield problems they are having there is no reason to believe that the pricing of Broadwell-E will be favorable (ie: the 8-core for less than $999) so waiting for it doesn't seem worthwhile.

Kabylake also comes in Q4'16, let's not forget that one, could bring some nice ST performance improvements over Skylake.
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Given the short timeframe, it's tough to think they can do much to Kabylake. Even backporting the fixed functions of Cannonlake's GPU and 3DXP support in the memory controller seems like a lot to ask. 3DXP won't be worth it for gaming even though I'm sure there will be people who will upgrade to get it if only for e-peen purposes.
 
Arachnotronic

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jpiniero said:
Given the short timeframe, it's tough to think they can do much to Kabylake. Even backporting the fixed functions of Cannonlake's GPU and 3DXP support in the memory controller seems like a lot to ask. 3DXP won't be worth it for gaming even though I'm sure there will be people who will upgrade to get it if only for e-peen purposes.
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I'm not so sure anymore. 14nm woes were known for a long time and I suspect that 10nm was in no better shape. Kabylake seems more like a "Plan B" that was already in the works in case 10nm wound up delayed so they may have had more time with this architecture than it might seem.
 
frozentundra123456

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cbn said:
Can't wait till we get eight cores on Mainstream.

Then the chances of getting processors binned with four fast cores increases.

(re: Four fast cores from a quad core die requires 100% of the cores to be good ones, but four fast cores from a octocore die only requires 50% of the cores to be good ones).

With that mentioned, I think having octocore on mainstream will be good for other reasons as well.
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Eight cores on the mainstream and good IPC increase for Kaby Lake??? You and Arach are both dreaming.
 
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Yeah, no kidding. Kaby Lake is supposedly a slightly less-bad version of the Haswell refresh.
 
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Arachnotronic said:
Kaby Lake is looking like a bigger jump architecturally than Broadwell was from Haswell. Gen 8 was a massive disappointment.
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Ah, I've forgotten what exactly Kaby Lake entails. Was Skylake not Gen 9? Regardless, its IGP was definitely a letdown.
 
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