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AtenRa

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????? Obviously you are talking about it. I don't see anyone else doing it



Where did he claim that? He said that the 6770k would offer 20-30% more performance than his 4670. That seems probably true? You asserted that the percentage would be the same for the 4790k. He then provided charts showing that the 6700k offers superior performance to the 4790k (though not 20-30% superior).

Basically, it seems you are having a conversation with yourself, which is a bit confusing for the rest of us.
Let me remind you then the conversation, ShintaiDK was responding to my debate the Core i7 4790K would be the same as Core i7 6700K.

The Skylake one is 20-30% over the Haswell.
On the Moon with lower gravity perhaps, on Earth its not even worth mentioning.
No.

But again you forgot to do your homework.

4670 vs 6700K.
Same as 4670 vs 4790K :whiste:
No.

But again, CPU performance isnt your strong side.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-1/intel-core-i7-6700k-i5-6600k-z170-skylake-test.html

Crysis 3 settings : 1920*1080 Very High, sans anti-aliasing.
ARMA III settings : 1920*1080 Ultra, sans anti-aliasing.
x-plane 10 settings : 1920*1080 sans anti-aliasing.
F1 2013 settings : 1920*1080 sans anti-aliasing.
Watch Dogs settings : 1920 * 1080 with a level of overall quality Ultra without anti-aliasing.
Total War Rome II Settings : 1920 * 1080 Extreme but by disabling the AA and SSAO.
Company Of Heroes II Settings : 1920 * 1080 maximum quality made exception of anti-aliasing.
Anno 2070 settings : 1920 * 1080 with very high settings and still no anti-aliasing.

That is not how you going to play with your GTX980, the difference from 4790K vs 6700K at default is negligible.
He has a GTX980, are you telling me he is playing games without any AA filters ??? :rolleyes:
 

mohit9206

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Skylake is a fail from performance perspective. Ain't no benchmarks or graphs gonna change that.
Anyone who upgrades from Sandy or later to Skylake ia doing so because the said person has too much extra money lying around and a severe upgrade itch to go along with it.
 

LTC8K6

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mohit9206

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Skylake is far from a fail, imo.

It's definitely a decent bump over Sandy Bridge.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-6/cpu-sandy-bridge-vs-haswell-vs-skylake-4-ghz.html
I don't understand French but being 30-40% faster than a 4 year old architecture is hardly anything to be excited about. Enthusiasts were hoping that Skylake will finally give them a good reason to upgrade from Sandy/Ivy from a performance perspective but from what i gather reading around various forums is that enthusiasts are yet again disappointed. DDR4 and some other new features are secondary. Performance is what matters first and that is where Skylake has fallen way short. That's what happens when there are no competitors to be afraid of.
 

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Anyone who upgrades from Sandy or later to Skylake ia doing so because the said person has too much extra money lying around and a severe upgrade itch to go along with it.
I don't understand French but being 30-40% faster than a 4 year old architecture is hardly anything to be excited about.
The age of the architecture over which improvement is being compared has no bearing on whether the user should upgrade: If a 30-40% performance increase over the user's current system is a sufficient reason to upgrade a 1 year old system, then it is also a reason to upgrade a 10 year old system.

As a reminder, 30-40% is the improvement the i7-2600K (3.4 Ghz) had over a i7-920 (2.66 Ghz) (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested). The IPC improvement was about as impressive as Skylake over Haswell--and in about as many years.
 

Edrick

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Skylake is a fail from performance perspective. Ain't no benchmarks or graphs gonna change that.
Anyone who upgrades from Sandy or later to Skylake ia doing so because the said person has too much extra money lying around and a severe upgrade itch to go along with it.
LOL.

Facts be damned, your opinion trumps all.

Ok.
 
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I don't understand French but being 30-40% faster than a 4 year old architecture is hardly anything to be excited about. Enthusiasts were hoping that Skylake will finally give them a good reason to upgrade from Sandy/Ivy from a performance perspective but from what i gather reading around various forums is that enthusiasts are yet again disappointed. DDR4 and some other new features are secondary. Performance is what matters first and that is where Skylake has fallen way short. That's what happens when there are no competitors to be afraid of.
OK, cool, so you won't be upgrading your system.
 

Edrick

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That's what happens when there are no competitors to be afraid of.
No. That's what happens when the expectations of the gaming community far outpace reality.

PS. I used the term "gaming community" because not all enthusiasts are disappointed, as you seem to think.
 

ShintaiDK

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Let me remind you then the conversation, ShintaiDK was responding to my debate the Core i7 4790K would be the same as Core i7 6700K.

He has a GTX980, are you telling me he is playing games without any AA filters ??? :rolleyes:
You got caught being wrong again, and now you desperately try to change the goalpost.

And what facts have you added? ZERO!
 

Burpo

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Ain't gonna chaing ma mind.. dem numb-burs don't mean sheet..

aint no Lake in da Sky! im gone gets me sum Zen :D
 

LTC8K6

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I don't understand French but being 30-40% faster than a 4 year old architecture is hardly anything to be excited about. Enthusiasts were hoping that Skylake will finally give them a good reason to upgrade from Sandy/Ivy from a performance perspective but from what i gather reading around various forums is that enthusiasts are yet again disappointed. DDR4 and some other new features are secondary. Performance is what matters first and that is where Skylake has fallen way short. That's what happens when there are no competitors to be afraid of.
You just wrote that people who have SB shouldn't upgrade to Skylake...

Skylake may have fallen way short to you, but not to me.

30-40%, plus the new platform features, is certainly reason enough to upgrade.

To me, the new chipset and mobos alone are tempting, and I have a 4790K / Z97-A as one of my systems.
 

mohit9206

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LOL.

Facts be damned, your opinion trumps all.

Ok.
What facts? Pretty much everything I've read says Skylake is only slightly more faster than Haswell and actually slower than Broadwell.
OK, cool, so you won't be upgrading your system.
No i won't be sidegrading my system. I upgrade my cpu when i get atleast 100% performance increase over my old one. So 100% faster than Sandy Bridge will take until 2020 I'm guessing. We're at 40% now so another 60% is remaining.
 
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No i won't be sidegrading my system. I upgrade my cpu when i get atleast 100% performance increase over my old one. So 100% faster than Sandy Bridge will take until 2020 I'm guessing. We're at 40% now so another 60% is remaining.
You could always pony up for a 5820K and overclock the snot out of it.

Also, a 30-40% performance improvement + substantially better platform is not a side grade .
 

Absolute0

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That's what happens when there are no competitors to be afraid of.
It's this misconception that bothers me the most. That AMD gave up and can't compete, that Intel is now complacent and doesn't try to make the best products, that it should just be easy to engineer devices that are smaller, faster and use less energy and do this consistently for years.

I'm a performance enthusiast too but reality is that the easy improvements have been made, the low hanging fruit has been picked, modern lithography is quite complex, the TDP : Die size ratio is high, and the biggest emerging markets for processing devices emphasize low energy not maximum performance.
 

sm625

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Yeah but anyone still using a sandy bridge is probably doing it because they've got a 4.7-5.0GHz overclock. It is a very tough choice to upgrade away from a multiyear stable 4.9GHz overclock to something that might do 4.4 but might also leave you stuck at 4.2.
 

Absolute0

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Yeah but anyone still using a sandy bridge is probably doing it because they've got a 4.7-5.0GHz overclock. It is a very tough choice to upgrade away from a multiyear stable 4.9GHz overclock to something that might do 4.4 but might also leave you stuck at 4.2.
Those sound like Broadwell overclocks...? I think Anandtech had the worst OCing Skylake out of every review I read, and they were 4.5 Ghz.

Edit: almost every other review is 4.6-4.7 Ghz for Skylake. 4.8+ being exceptional.
 
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