Intel Shows Off 28 Core, 56 Thread Core-X HEDT Processor For Enthusiasts, In Market Q4 ’18

[happy medium]

Someone woke the sleeping giant...

https://wccftech.com/intel-28-core-x-hedt-cpu-8th-gen-8-core-updates-2018/
"The 28 cores and 56 threads for consumers and enthusiasts would be unlike anything that has been done on the HEDT platform before. In Cinebench, the chip was shown running at 5.00 GHz across all cores (2.70 GHz base) and scored 7334 multi-core points. In comparison, an overclocked Core i9-7980XE with 18 cores and 36 threads scores around 5000 points so that is a mighty jump."
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[CHADBOGA]

Does anyone think desktop users will be able to run this processor at 5.0Ghz all core with air cooling or a Corsair AIO?

 

[coercitiv]

Does anyone think desktop users will be able to run this processor at 5.0Ghz all core with air cooling or a Corsair AIO?

The tip VideoCardz received prior to Intel's showcase mentioned chilled water cooling.

PS: basic math says that even if we consider mainstream 6c @ 5Ghz = 100W, then HEDT 28C @ 5Ghz = 500W.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I don't dare think what kind of power consumption figures this thing has. But it'll be massive.

If they're after the halo product crown, fine. But I don't think this will be particularly practical for a desktop class setup.

 

[Mopetar]

Practicality has never been a problem for anyone who wants the best that money can buy. The real question, is how much money you can expect to fork over to buy this. Their current 18C HEDT unit retails for $2,000.

 

[Dayman1225]

That looks like LGA3647 to me! 6 channels too?

Also 16 Phase VRM with 4 fans!

 

[Gideon]

AMD giving threadripper 250W TDP and moar cores:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-threadripper-2-moar-cores

MSI couldn't give any specifics in terms of the extra Threadripper 2 core-count as, in the creation of the X399 Creation, it had only been working with the pre-release power spec AMD had provided them. But we also spoke to the chip chilling folk at Be Quiet, and its Dark Rock Pro TR4 cooler has had to up its game to now cope with a 250W TDP.
That’s because the top of the range new AMD Threadripper chips will come come with a TDP of 250W. The original 16-core Threadripper 1950X only has a TDP of 180W by comparison, which makes it a TDP rise of nearly 40%.

I knew they had to update the core count for Threadripper 2 to really up the ante (as the first one was already clocked crazy-high and had some of the latency fixes).
This seems to explain WHY intel was so eager to demo its 5Ghz 28 core part

 

[moinmoin]

Someone woke the sleeping giant...

https://wccftech.com/intel-28-core-x-hedt-cpu-8th-gen-8-core-updates-2018/
"The 28 cores and 56 threads for consumers and enthusiasts would be unlike anything that has been done on the HEDT platform before. In Cinebench, the chip was shown running at 5.00 GHz across all cores (2.70 GHz base) and scored 7334 multi-core points. In comparison, an overclocked Core i9-7980XE with 18 cores and 36 threads scores around 5000 points so that is a mighty jump."
"

Is it (a mighty jump)? What was the overclock on the i9 (quick search shows 5049 at 5GHz)? Increase in points just shows a perfect scaling wrt the amount of core, nothing less and nothing more.

 

[jpiniero]

AMD giving threadripper 250W TDP and moar cores:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-threadripper-2-moar-cores

Unless it's a SP4 socket processor, the TR2 core count should be the same. Which AMD could do.

 

[Yotsugi]

YES
THE FIRE RISES

Unless it's a SP4 socket processor, the TR2 core count should be the same. Which AMD could do.

?
sTR4 is a rekeyed SP3.
SP4 is a BGA that Snowy Owl uses.

 

[IEC]

Core Wars pt. II?

I can't wait to see a 32-core HEDT processor... and it's looking like I may not need to wait long at this rate.

 

[Hitman928]

The tip VideoCardz received prior to Intel's showcase mentioned chilled water cooling.

PS: basic math says that even if we consider mainstream 6c @ 5Ghz = 100W, then HEDT 28C @ 5Ghz = 500W.

An 8700k at 5 Ghz is more like 135 W to 150 W. With the additional memory controllers and need to route the clock across a much larger area, I would expect a 28 core chip at 5 GHz to easily push 700 W.

 

[Gideon]

An 8700k at 5 Ghz is more like 135 W to 150 W. With the additional memory controllers and need to route the clock across a much larger area, I would expect a 28 core chip at 5 GHz to easily push 700 W.

I don't believe it will be that bad. 8180 Platinum is a 205W TDP processor with 2.5/3.8 GHz clock speed. Yeah I know, it's the under-reported Skylake-X TDP which should probably be closer to 250W, but still ... I can see it taking about 500W under load @ 5.0 GHz (using 14+++ nm process), maybe a bit more, but I don't believe it will be anywhere near "easily pushing 700 W", at least not with that chilled liquid cooling.

By the same logic a hypothetical 24 thread Threadripper2 @ 4Ghz (all core) should be around 105 * 3 = 315W. I don't believe that's the case with the 12nm process. I would rather believe it will be around 250W

Besides, 8086K is supposedly 95W too according to ARK (yes it's definitely under-reported as well).

 

[LightningZ71]

Unless it's a SP4 socket processor, the TR2 core count should be the same. Which AMD could do.

That kind of power increase and no word out of AMD of a new die seems to indicate to me that TR2 will be binned, and power pushed 12nm die in the same package. We're seeing the 2xxx series chips managing to hit 4.45ghz fairly often with PB2 on affordable cooling setups. If AMD has made some microcode tweaks and selectively binned chips, we may see some TR2 chips that are boosting into the 4.6-4.7Ghz range. With TR1 hitting 4.2 ghz quite often, a 10% performance boost (as was advertised for the 2xxx series) would have to be an all clock boost as TR1 had a lot of the secondary tweaks that 2xxx got. That means pushing into the mid to high 4.x ghz range.

That's not going to be enough to dethrone a 28 core 5Ghz core series chip of course, but, if they sell it for less than $1000, that's a hell of a value proposition.

I don't think that we see anything comparable out of AMD unless they either:
1) bring forward something on 7nm (extremely unlikely)
2) make an enthusiasts product based on an EPYC package

While AMD stated that they are skipping 12nm on EPYC, that doesn't mean that they can't introduce a different name for a product that is based on the package but is focused on the enthusiast market. Perhaps a pair of products based on 6 and 8 core 12nm dies, focused on maximum achievable clock speed, with 8 DDR channels, but restricted to single processor setups, with no ECC certification, and other items maybe left off. A 32 core EPYC HEDT chip at 4.0Ghz advertised boost with 8 DRAM channels would be extremely competitive, and could still make margin at half the platform price of Intel's offering. If 28 cores is attractive to you, then 32 should be more attractive as whatever you're doing must scale well with threads to justify that steep of a price. The hit to maximum clock frequency should be made up by the increased core count.

 

[coercitiv]

We're seeing the 2xxx series chips managing to hit 4.45ghz fairly often with PB2 on affordable cooling setups.

If 28 cores is attractive to you, then 32 should be more attractive as whatever you're doing must scale well with threads to justify that steep of a price. The hit to maximum clock frequency should be made up by the increased core count.

5*28=4.375*32

With the above magical number in mind... clock for clock comparison between 2700X and 7820X.

Fun times ahead.

 

[Gideon]

That's not going to be enough to dethrone a 28 core 5Ghz core series chip of course, but, if they sell it for less than $1000, that's a hell of a value proposition.

I still don't think Intel had any reason to introduce a HEDT chip with 28 cores, if that's the case. A Gold Core i9-7980XE with 18 cores clocked to the same 5 GHz Clock Speed would have been more than enough.

This presentation was tackled on to the Intel Keynote as a last-minute addition ("... aaand one more thing"), after AMD promised to show "never before seen performance" during it's presentation.

I'm still leaning towards Threadrippers with more cores. I might very well be wrong of course, but hey, where's the fun without speculation!

 

[Bouowmx]

Looks like a WS C621E SAGE with one socket missing.

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't believe it will be that bad. 8180 Platinum is a 205W TDP processor with 2.5/3.8 GHz clock speed. Yeah I know, it's the under-reported Skylake-X TDP which should probably be closer to 250W, but still ... I can see it taking about 500W under load @ 5.0 GHz (using 14+++ nm process), maybe a bit more, but I don't believe it will be anywhere near "easily pushing 700 W", at least not with that chilled liquid cooling.

By the same logic a hypothetical 24 thread Threadripper2 @ 4Ghz (all core) should be around 105 * 3 = 315W. I don't believe that's the case with the 12nm process. I would rather believe it will be around 250W

Besides, 8086K is supposedly 95W too according to ARK (yes it's definitely under-reported as well).

8086K has the same 130W thermal solution spec as the 8700K, 8600K, and 8350K chips.

 

[jpiniero]

I still don't think Intel had any reason to introduce a HEDT chip with 28 cores, if that's the case. A Gold Core i9-7980XE with 18 cores clocked to the same 5 GHz Clock Speed would have been more than enough.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I suspect it's more about unloading XCC dies because Skylake-SP is going to be more or less EOLed once Cascade Lake is launched due to Spectre/Meltdown.

 

[Hitman928]

I don't believe it will be that bad. 8180 Platinum is a 205W TDP processor with 2.5/3.8 GHz clock speed. Yeah I know, it's the under-reported Skylake-X TDP which should probably be closer to 250W, but still ... I can see it taking about 500W under load @ 5.0 GHz (using 14+++ nm process), maybe a bit more, but I don't believe it will be anywhere near "easily pushing 700 W", at least not with that chilled liquid cooling.

Whatever intel lists as the TDP, I'm going by actual power consumption.

Tom's shows An 8700K using over 130 W at 5 GHz. However, they also state that their CPU isn't fully stable at 5 GHz which means that they'll need to give it more voltage to actually be stable so you're probably talking closer to 150 W for a stable 5 GHz.

Even if we take 135 W for cream of the crop CPUs, multiply that by the number of cores (28/6) gives you 630 W. The uncore won't multiply like that but it's a good rough estimate since you are dealing with a bigger, more power hungry uncore as well due to the higher number of memory controllers and PHY connections. Where I think you'll get higher than 630 W is because of the need to route the clock across a much bigger die. Driving a 5 GHz clock across such a big die is not an easy feat and will take a significant amount of power.

That's why, to me, the CPU could easily push 700 W. Or perhaps better said for what I meant, I expect the CPU to push much closer to 700 W than 500 W when running at 5 GHz and is actually fully loaded. This also doesn't even take into account AVX2 or AVX512 instructions.

By the same logic a hypothetical 24 thread Threadripper2 @ 4Ghz (all core) should be around 105 * 3 = 315W. I don't believe that's the case with the 12nm process. I would rather believe it will be around 250W

AMD lists their TDP as the TDP at base frequency (though that appears to be conservative as a 2700x uses 100 W - 105 W at 4 GHz, see here). So yes, I wouldn't be surprised if a 24 core TR exceeded 250 W at 4 GHz (a 2700x base clock is 3.7 GHz).

 

[wahdangun]

Gotta love competition.

So we have come to empire strike back chapter ?

And will this cpu the first one that bundle chilled water cooling ?

 

[wahdangun]

Unless it's a SP4 socket processor, the TR2 core count should be the same. Which AMD could do.

EPYC and TR, share same socket, just slightly reworked, so maybe AMD can release new TR socket maybe with octo channel RAM and called it TR+ ?

Tbh I'm so excited, at least there is some fire in cpu department. And intel response is so good, not like that lame competition in gpu department.

So 28 core at 5 ghz vs 32 core at 4,3 ghz ? Bring it on.

 

[CatMerc]

EPYC and TR, share same socket, just slightly reworked, so maybe AMD can release new TR socket maybe with triple/quad channel RAM and called it TR+ ?

Tbh I'm so excited, at least there is some fire in cpu department. And intel response is so good, not like that lame competition in gpu department.

So 28 core at 5 ghz vs 32 core at 4,3 ghz ? Bring it on.

They could, and that's what I expect if a 32 core Threadripper will happen this year. An X499 socket with 8 channel memory supporting quad die 32 cores.

 

[IntelUser2000]

It probably does not run at 5GHz all core stock, and they overclocked it using watercooling to show off. Kind of like in the clockspeed war days they showed us overclocked Pentium 4 chips.

 

[wahdangun]

Yeah maybe they only show maximum boost clock, but that still freaking awsome