What FSB and its fully stable?
Also I was told by Asus that the next Bios will allow voltage changes to the cpu with that board.
What FSB and its fully stable?
Also I was told by Asus that the next Bios will allow voltage changes to the cpu with that board.
155FSB, I know it will boot @ 166 but havn't have a chance to test it yet(still installing drivers).
Yea I was able to boot around the 150-155 mark but it was not 100% stable. But my board is reporting voltage at 1.2-1.25 so on the low end of the spec.
Is that an athlon XP you're using cuz I have mine @ 2.2ghz and it does 1M in 47 secs and my friend has an XP-M @ 2.3ghz and he does it in 46 secs... gotta say not to impressed with this 805D right now although i was really looking forward to it being a cheap oc... guess we still need to find a good board that's affordable that allows Vcore changes
805 @ 3.2ghz 160fsb
superPI 1mb 42s.
@ 166fsb it will boot into win but won't finish super PI 1mb
superPI 1mb 42s.
@ 166fsb it will boot into win but won't finish super PI 1mb
Well so far, not matter how much voltage I feed it, not 100% stable past 3.7ghz(185mhz FSB) 1.438v. Running at around 53c on water, so good air cooling should be enough for 3.7-3.8ghz with these chips. Not bad for a $145 chip, but needs another 300-500mhz to compete with an X2 @2.5-2.6ghz. At least it can get a decent OC without an expensive motherboard, unlike my 920's.
Dead right Insomniator. More evidence that Intel is attacking AMD sales on the multi-core front as apposed to taking them head on in 64 bit environments. First rule in any fight is look for your opponents most vunerable point. At the moment until AMD get their die shrink and 300mmm wafers going they can't match Chipzilla on multi-core price. And if multi-cores start doing better than fast singles because the software is being optomised for these environments then all those "True Intel/Untel believers" with hyperthreading also will get some gains without upgrading their systems at all. Who misses out, or needs to buy a new multicore setup, "good ol' faithful" Socket A/A64 owners of course. We enthusiasts come upgraders love putting the noose around our own necks.
got my Pent D 805 at 3.32GHz, 166fsb. Used an Asus P5SD2-X, had to flash the bios to the latest (0501). 4 hours on memtest-86, no issues.
Garbage product? That's a bit tough. It depends if your looking for speed or features. perferably both. If you want zoom then the FX is the ticket. But for features the 805 has multi-core up its sleeve. Difference is that the FX will always be an FX, the multi-core can improve performance through muli-threaded software. That's not totally true of course, because one can always hope and wait, and wait, and wait, for 64 bit opped software. But of course the 805 can run this as well. The trick in upgrading is to make sure you don't end up sacrificing performance for more features. (with a drop in FSB speed and halving the L2 cache per core, there's more danger here than usual because this setup could suffer overall degraded performance from fast single core machines like 754 A64 2.8/3.0 & Semprons and the like, where upgrade to muti-core might look an attractive option). That would be an unacceptable trade off at this point in time, as this would be speculative to say the least. Upgrades need to provide a speed increase, because if you're only feature upgrading, you'll be back for a speed increase sooner than later. hence if I had an FX processor today, I wouldn't even look at a multi-core until it had the FX done for raw performance, and that's not going be the 805 or the X2 4800+. If you want to play games at top notch frame rates then you buy the specialist product, not a "jack of all trades."
Some benches
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
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That is where intel can truly compete with amd at the moment. Their manufacturing power just dominates,
Originally posted by: sindows
Some benches
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
runs pretty cool? 65c(from the screenshot shown with it at 4ghz) with a sythe ninja? throttling kicks in at 72c on stock voltage, so at 1.475v it could actualy be close to throttling at those temps, which will kill performance(I think my P4 started throttling around 67c at 1.475v).
My 805 has started hitting 57c on water cooling at 3.7ghz, so I would hardly call it running cool. When I had my presler running at 3.7ghz, it was running at around 50c on water, and around 60c on the stock Intel heatsink.
Originally posted by: sindows
Some benches
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
Quote from above link: "(sorry no gaming benchmarks)"
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
Think carefully before you dip into your pocket sindows. No gaming benchmarks heh? I'd be lookin' at some of those before I purchased it.
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Thanks for testing one of those Stevity. You've been providing a lot of useful Smithfield/Presler info to the forum lately. I just can't see the 805 being a good deal with it being so hot, and I can only imagine what an overclocked 805 will do to your power bills if keep it running for any extended period of time.
Originally posted by: mhahnheuser
Originally posted by: sindows
Some benches
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
Quote from above link: "(sorry no gaming benchmarks)"
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
Think carefully before you dip into your pocket sindows. No gaming benchmarks heh? I'd be lookin' at some of those before I purchased it.
Honestly, I don't play games at 800x600 so the bottleneck is going to be the video card, not the processor
Besides 3-5fps isn't worth an extra $150(cost for the cheapest x2, next upgrade is not going to be single core) to me. Sure the X2s are better but they're nowhere near as twice as fast(if they were, I'd reconisder). Time is money and all but I can afford to wait an extra minutee or so the processor can finish encoding/decoding whatever it needs be...I could also care less about the heat as I don't expect to keep this processor any longer than perhaps 3-5 years. Surely this processors will last that long...
As far as throttling is concerned, I though the higher you went with the vcore, the higher the temps are allowed to get before it begins throttling?
I honestly don't know much about throttling and how much these processsors throttle.
Originally posted by: sindows
Originally posted by: mhahnheuser
Originally posted by: sindows
Some benches
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
Quote from above link: "(sorry no gaming benchmarks)"
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
Think carefully before you dip into your pocket sindows. No gaming benchmarks heh? I'd be lookin' at some of those before I purchased it.
Honestly, I don't play games at 800x600 so the bottleneck is going to be the video card, not the processor
Besides 3-5fps isn't worth an extra $150(cost for the cheapest x2, next upgrade is not going to be single core) to me. Sure the X2s are better but they're nowhere near as twice as fast(if they were, I'd reconisder). Time is money and all but I can afford to wait an extra minutee or so the processor can finish encoding/decoding whatever it needs be...I could also care less about the heat as I don't expect to keep this processor any longer than perhaps 3-5 years. Surely this processors will last that long...
As far as throttling is concerned, I though the higher you went with the vcore, the higher the temps are allowed to get before it begins throttling?
I honestly don't know much about throttling and how much these processsors throttle.
Nope, it only affected by temp.
Yea the 805 is cheap and with some extra juice 3.3ghz seems to be a good range with air cooling to work with it and keep it from throttling. That is why i got it. Of course if i was spending money i would still get the Athlon X2.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: sindows
Originally posted by: mhahnheuser
Originally posted by: sindows
Some benches
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026502
Quote from above link: "(sorry no gaming benchmarks)"
I think I just found my next cpu. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass but it seems the 805 can do 80% of what a X2 3800 can for about 50% of the cost (looking at o/c scores)
Plus it runs pretty cool...I don't know about the voltages he uses though. They seem a little bit high for whats conisdered "safe".
Think carefully before you dip into your pocket sindows. No gaming benchmarks heh? I'd be lookin' at some of those before I purchased it.
Honestly, I don't play games at 800x600 so the bottleneck is going to be the video card, not the processor
Besides 3-5fps isn't worth an extra $150(cost for the cheapest x2, next upgrade is not going to be single core) to me. Sure the X2s are better but they're nowhere near as twice as fast(if they were, I'd reconisder). Time is money and all but I can afford to wait an extra minutee or so the processor can finish encoding/decoding whatever it needs be...I could also care less about the heat as I don't expect to keep this processor any longer than perhaps 3-5 years. Surely this processors will last that long...
As far as throttling is concerned, I though the higher you went with the vcore, the higher the temps are allowed to get before it begins throttling?
I honestly don't know much about throttling and how much these processsors throttle.
Nope, it only affected by temp.
Yea the 805 is cheap and with some extra juice 3.3ghz seems to be a good range with air cooling to work with it and keep it from throttling. That is why i got it. Of course if i was spending money i would still get the Athlon X2.
You aren't excatly right about throttling, the voltage DOES affect it, and it's been proven. Higher voltage makes throttling occur at lower temperatures. Another misconception about TM1 throttling is that it lowers the clock speed, that is also incorrect. It causes a duty cycle, which basicly pauses the CPU every so many cycles. At 33% throttling, it will pause 1 out of every 3 cycles. At 33% throttling, it would make a 3.2ghz CPU perform more like a 2.1ghz CPU, but if you look at any program that reports clock speed, it will still show at 3.2ghz. Throttlewatch will show thottling, but doesn't seem to work correctly with dual cores.
Most of the geniuses in here squabbling about gaming performance are neglecting the fact that many of us want cheap dual-cores because of its strongpoint: MULTITASKING!
Yes, a good A64 will run a game or Prime95 faster, but this one will be far more responsive when running 5 apps at the same time. 'Nuff said.
This CPU for ~$150CDN and a mobo for ~$100 would be awesome!
That said, the i945 is still the only dual-core 775 chipset, yes?
Yes, a good A64 will run a game or Prime95 faster, but this one will be far more responsive when running 5 apps at the same time. 'Nuff said.
This CPU for ~$150CDN and a mobo for ~$100 would be awesome!
That said, the i945 is still the only dual-core 775 chipset, yes?
Nope, I am running my 805 on an Nvidia NF4 SLI motherboard(gigabyte 8N-SLI), and my Presler is running on an old Asus P5P800 SE which uses the 865 chipset. Not all motherboards with those chipsets support them, but there are plenty of boards that do, also including the 945/955/975 chipset boards.
It depends on the apps... What 5 apps do you run simultaneously on a regular basis? Maybe we could get Stevty to bench the performance??
Originally posted by: Viditor
It depends on the apps... What 5 apps do you run simultaneously on a regular basis? Maybe we could get Stevty to bench the performance??
Stock speeds or at my OC'd speed of 3.7ghz? At 3.7 I imagine it will be similar to slightly slower than my Presler when it was running at 3.7ghz.
Originally posted by: Viditor
It depends on the apps... What 5 apps do you run simultaneously on a regular basis? Maybe we could get Stevty to bench the performance??
I think the vast majority of computers boot up with 5 apps already running. My parents computer -
Skpe
CitiBank (generates CC #'s)
Mcaffee Anti-Virus (with on-access scanning)
Java.exe
.NET / MSDN stuff
Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: Viditor
It depends on the apps... What 5 apps do you run simultaneously on a regular basis? Maybe we could get Stevty to bench the performance??
I think the vast majority of computers boot up with 5 apps already running. My parents computer -
Skpe
CitiBank (generates CC #'s)
Mcaffee Anti-Virus (with on-access scanning)
Java.exe
.NET / MSDN stuff
Agreed...my point being that dual core won't help this scenario because they are all low priority threads and the scheduler won't improve performance here with a dual core. It's when you have 5 higher priority threads that you'll see some improvement.
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