intel set to release low cost dual core 805

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stevty2889

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

That shouldn't be an issue for this chip..since it's running at 533mhz FSB, any LGA775 motherboard out there that supports it shoud have no issue overclocking it. It's got a 20x multiplier, so if the chip can handle it, it would be running at 4ghz with 800mhz FSB.


Nope. Remember a lot of intel 775 chispet do NOT support dual core. So just because it will fit does not mean it is supported.

I wanted something cheap that could support dual core so I went with a VIA PT880 Pro asrock board.

Asrock board that supports dual core

read a little closer.....
 

BrownTown

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stevty2889s probably right, all those mother boards have to support 800mhz FSB already, so overclockign to 800mhz is still within their specs.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: dexvx
There are probably re-badged 820/830's that no one wants to buy.


I doubt it as they are the new B0 stepping. But will have to wait and see. mine should be here on monday. :)

 

hans007

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Originally posted by: jlbenedict
wow.. the Smithfield 805 for under $150 and the Presler 920 coming in at $258.00 makes for some great bang for buck..
Intel is definately coming out with an aggressive approach getting dual core into customers hands at a great price..

if you look on ebay you can get an 820 for like $165. i actually got it for $145 around xmas with a coupon ebay had at the time.


i think for gaming yes the 533 bus will be awful. but ... this really is marketed towards multitasking. i mean people who have a lot of garbage on their computers like say an antispyware software, a firewall software, an av client, and p2p client.

those are not really memory bus intensive tasks but having a seperate cpu to run them and their constant polling and scanning etc, will make the system run much smoother. the 805 is definintely for the business desktop or "i dont game much" home desktop. and for $145 or so, its very competitive.

there are a lot of things 2 cores can be fine doing even with not a lot of bus bandwidth, as not everything is super memory intensive like games.

also a cheap 945p board or 945g board can be bought new for $80 or so. and most of them have at least some overclocking capability (its not like it costs a tonof money to make a board with overclocking capability compared to one without any). sure the $200 boards, can get you a bit more speed and some more options. but if you just want a good value, its not too horrible an idea at $145 + saya refurb 945p board for $60 or so.
 

Avalon

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$140 for this chip is awesome. Imagine if you could overclock it to 4ghz. It wouldn't be that hard, since you'd only be running 800FSB. The only thing would be if the chip could take it or not. If it could, that's some serious zing for your dollar.
 

hans007

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i bet it would be very easy to get up to 667 bus . but 800 could be tough. most smithfields top out around 3.5 ghz.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

where did you get that idea? I love the misinformation that AMD fanboys bring to this forum.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

where did you get that idea? I love the misinformation that AMD fanboys bring to this forum.

Thats not misinformation. Stevty and I have been though 5 motherboards, and have yet to get one close to $100 that OC's decently.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

where did you get that idea? I love the misinformation that AMD fanboys bring to this forum.

Thats not misinformation. Stevty and I have been though 5 motherboards, and have yet to get one close to $100 that OC's decently.

and your defenition of a decent OC??
 

Markfw

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Well, the best we could do is 3.43 on the 820 with a $85 mobo, and 3.65 on a $140 mobo. to get to 4 ghz or better, you need a $200 mobo and a lot of luck and a 9xx series.

Much better value with an X2 3800 and an $80 mobo.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, the best we could do is 3.43 on the 820 with a $85 mobo, and 3.65 on a $140 mobo. to get to 4 ghz or better, you need a $200 mobo and a lot of luck and a 9xx series.

Much better value with an X2 3800 and an $80 mobo.

Your results sound pretty wierd, as I have heard people get way better results than that, at least with 9XX series and the Asus 945P.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, the best we could do is 3.43 on the 820 with a $85 mobo, and 3.65 on a $140 mobo. to get to 4 ghz or better, you need a $200 mobo and a lot of luck and a 9xx series.

Much better value with an X2 3800 and an $80 mobo.

Your results sound pretty wierd, as I have heard people get way better results than that, at least with 9XX series and the Asus 945P.

Well, do you have one ? I don't believe it unless I see it. Thats why I got the 820D, to see for myself. I don't believe many others who claim things, just myself and trusted review sites (like anandtech).
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

That shouldn't be an issue for this chip..since it's running at 533mhz FSB, any LGA775 motherboard out there that supports it shoud have no issue overclocking it. It's got a 20x multiplier, so if the chip can handle it, it would be running at 4ghz with 800mhz FSB.


Nope. Remember a lot of intel 775 chispet do NOT support dual core. So just because it will fit does not mean it is supported.

I wanted something cheap that could support dual core so I went with a VIA PT880 Pro asrock board.

Asrock board that supports dual core

youre about 4 months too late ;)

stevty2889 and I had that same motherboard. here's my thread w/ my 820 and asrock

mark's thread on a 820 @ 3.5ghz

stevty2889's thread also with the asrock
 

Madwand1

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Sucks to be AMD with this release, methinks. Despite dropping the price on the 3800+ so that it came closer to the 820/920, Intel's stolen the ball with this one. Massive overclocking, gaming? This market belongs to the Opterons, not this chip, doesn't it?

Don't underestimate the saleability of "2 CPU's in one box!" for many common users, and the effect of lower prices in this market. Getting the entry-level customer is always important; Intel is doing well here IMO.

C'mon AMD. We need an answer, via a cheap dual core AM2 :)
 

stevty2889

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, the best we could do is 3.43 on the 820 with a $85 mobo, and 3.65 on a $140 mobo. to get to 4 ghz or better, you need a $200 mobo and a lot of luck and a 9xx series.

Much better value with an X2 3800 and an $80 mobo.

Your results sound pretty wierd, as I have heard people get way better results than that, at least with 9XX series and the Asus 945P.

I'd like to see that as well, I have the P5LD2-VM(which is the 945 chipset Asus board). The only way I, and anyone else I've talked to using this series of motherboard got past ~220mhz FSB was to overclock the PCIe bus, which eventualy caused a lot of instability.

Tried my 920's on 6 differant motherboards, 3 945 chipset boards, the Asrock 775dual-880pro, Asus P5P800-SE 865chipset board, and Gigabyte 8N-SLI nf4 chipset board, and none of them can post with a FSB high enough to get the Presler near 4 ghz..and thats with 2 differant 920's as well. The 8N-SLI is running 245mhz FSB with my single core P4, but wouldn't post past 229mhz FSB with the presler..the Asrock board LOWERED the clock speed when I overclocked the presler on it, but worked fine with a single core P4. The P5P800-SE is the only one thats reached about the same limit with both a single core and the Presler, but can only run the presler at 3.43ghz.

The P5LD2-VM was running it at 3.7ghz until one of the cores died, but I had to run the PCIe at 120mhz in order to reach that, which completely borked the onboard video...so if you have seen some 945 boards getting better results, I"d love to know which ones..

And the only boards I have seen people getting to 4ghz+ on, which is needed to compete with an X2 @2.6ghz..are 955x and 975x boards that cost $200+ mostly the Asus P5WD2 premium.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: AkumaX
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

That shouldn't be an issue for this chip..since it's running at 533mhz FSB, any LGA775 motherboard out there that supports it shoud have no issue overclocking it. It's got a 20x multiplier, so if the chip can handle it, it would be running at 4ghz with 800mhz FSB.


Nope. Remember a lot of intel 775 chispet do NOT support dual core. So just because it will fit does not mean it is supported.

I wanted something cheap that could support dual core so I went with a VIA PT880 Pro asrock board.

Asrock board that supports dual core

youre about 4 months too late ;)

stevty2889 and I had that same motherboard. here's my thread w/ my 820 and asrock

mark's thread on a 820 @ 3.5ghz

stevty2889's thread also with the asrock



Good to see I am not the only one to notice the Asrock PT880 pro board. Of course I am hoping that my 805 will do 166 FSB so that will give me a 3.3ghz dual core chip. :)

That and the 805 chip is a B0 stepping. Supposed to help a little with power leaks (heat and overclocking I hope)
 

stevty2889

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: AkumaX
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

That shouldn't be an issue for this chip..since it's running at 533mhz FSB, any LGA775 motherboard out there that supports it shoud have no issue overclocking it. It's got a 20x multiplier, so if the chip can handle it, it would be running at 4ghz with 800mhz FSB.


Nope. Remember a lot of intel 775 chispet do NOT support dual core. So just because it will fit does not mean it is supported.

I wanted something cheap that could support dual core so I went with a VIA PT880 Pro asrock board.

Asrock board that supports dual core

youre about 4 months too late ;)

stevty2889 and I had that same motherboard. here's my thread w/ my 820 and asrock

mark's thread on a 820 @ 3.5ghz

stevty2889's thread also with the asrock



Good to see I am not the only one to notice the Asrock PT880 pro board. Of course I am hoping that my 805 will do 166 FSB so that will give me a 3.3ghz dual core chip. :)

That and the 805 chip is a B0 stepping. Supposed to help a little with power leaks (heat and overclocking I hope)


Yep, and I got plenty of motherboards to try it on, it may be a smithfield, but at that price, I couldn't resist. Should have it by Tuesday. :disgust:
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: AkumaX
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: stevty2889
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
sweet. Too bad you need a $200 mobo to OC it decently.

That shouldn't be an issue for this chip..since it's running at 533mhz FSB, any LGA775 motherboard out there that supports it shoud have no issue overclocking it. It's got a 20x multiplier, so if the chip can handle it, it would be running at 4ghz with 800mhz FSB.


Nope. Remember a lot of intel 775 chispet do NOT support dual core. So just because it will fit does not mean it is supported.

I wanted something cheap that could support dual core so I went with a VIA PT880 Pro asrock board.

Asrock board that supports dual core

youre about 4 months too late ;)

stevty2889 and I had that same motherboard. here's my thread w/ my 820 and asrock

mark's thread on a 820 @ 3.5ghz

stevty2889's thread also with the asrock



Good to see I am not the only one to notice the Asrock PT880 pro board. Of course I am hoping that my 805 will do 166 FSB so that will give me a 3.3ghz dual core chip. :)

That and the 805 chip is a B0 stepping. Supposed to help a little with power leaks (heat and overclocking I hope)


Yep, and I got plenty of motherboards to try it on, it may be a smithfield, but at that price, I couldn't resist. Should have it by Tuesday. :disgust:

Yep ups :( says it SHOULD be here on Tuesday as well for me. I will pop it in my via PT880pro board and see what I can do. I am hoping the B0 stepping will help with heat.
 

stevty2889

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Don't think I'm gonna try it on the Via chipset board, due to the complete lack of voltage adjustments. Probably going to stick it on the NF4 board in place of one of my P4 ES chips.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: stevty2889
Don't think I'm gonna try it on the Via chipset board, due to the complete lack of voltage adjustments. Probably going to stick it on the NF4 board in place of one of my P4 ES chips.


Yea thats the only thing I don't like on this board. But I am only aiming for 3.3Ghz and that shopuld be ok on default with a 166Mhz FSB. At least I hope. :)

 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
As for this Pentium D 805, I for one am very interested. I'd like to get a dual core CPU very much, but being a poor college student I can hardly afford the $250 price tag of the 820, much less the $300 3800+. I don't think this 805 is going to do the trick just yet--$200 is still *way* too much for me--but I like this new movement toward a budget price point.

I'm that guy who'd seriously considering buying a Celeron dual core if it came out today. But here's my dream CPU...

Sempron X2
1.2 GHz per core
128KB L2 per core
socket 939
$75 shipped

I'd snap that up immediately!

That's a bad deal there, a current sempron overclocked to a higher ghz would outperform that setup. Twice the clock speed (or near it) is always preferrable to two cores, except when the OS has a crappy task scheduler.