Intel processors crashing Unreal engine games (and others)

[511]

Something that always makes me laugh is when some goofy goober writes in a dismissive way that rapture lake failures are way down the list of Intel's problems.

This is true ironically they have much more problem slipping market share,empty fabs loosing money no AI GPU for DC,uncompetitive CPU designs and product in Desktop.

 

[DZero]

Heck, even Alder Lakes lives more than the Crashtor ones XD

 

[511]

Heck, even Alder Lakes lives more than the Crashtor ones XD

Alder lake was a very good gen it is their best gen in the last decade lol.

 

[DZero]

And this is in Argentina, but...

Congratulations Intel... not even the Core i5 laptops are safe.

Now I am thinking that even the U tier are on real risk.
That made me think... what Intel fked up so hard with the laptops processors?

 

[511]

And this is in Argentina, but...

Congratulations Intel... not even the Core i5 laptops are safe.

Now I am thinking that even the U tier are on real risk.
That made me think... what Intel fked up so hard with the laptops processors?

I don't think that's the case it could be a bad thermal job just checked it's based on ADL even though it's called Raptor Lake 🤣.

 

[DZero]

I don't think that's the case it could be a bad thermal job just checked it's based on ADL even though it's called Raptor Lake 🤣.

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That makes the situation worse? I mean, even Alder Lake is not safe then.

 

[511]

That makes the situation worse? I mean, even Alder Lake is not safe then.

From the same video this is is not good condition also undervolting won't fix this mess. OEMs put random skyrocketing Power Limits on laptop and than it throttles and than people have issue even my 185H has 115W PL2 and 90W PL1 and it throttles hard i have fixed it by setting manual PL of 45W and i don't get much issues.


Yeah

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That makes the situation worse? I mean, even Alder Lake is not safe then.

While this does not appear to be related to the vmin shift instability, it sucks that the solution is always to settle for less performance than was advertised, and paid for.

 

[511]

Welcome to OEM Crappy practices of cheaping out on stuff and not adhering to spec.
At least desktop users have other settings they can tinker with Mobile users ain't got one especially for H/U/P SKU the only way to solve it limit Power limit according to cooling capacity

 

[gdansk]

I don't know if it's fair to blame OEMs for failing to cope with skyrocketing x64 laptop power limits many times higher than the TDP Intel specifies. If it is built to the specified TDP, they did what Intel told them was required... technically.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Welcome to OEM Crappy practices of cheaping out on stuff and not adhering to spec.
At least desktop users have other settings they can tinker with Mobile users ain't got one especially for H/U/P SKU the only way to solve it limit Power limit according to cooling capacity

We are well past playing the blame game. Intel is at fault and eventually admitted it. I don't know what kind of solace desktop users are supposed to take from superior "tinkering" capabilities? It certainly didn't stop their CPUs from breaking. Hell, Jay had his completely manually tuned and it went belly up. It just reads like yet another attempt to put the blame anywhere but where it belongs; squarely on Intel.

 

[511]

We are well past playing the blame game. Intel is at fault and eventually admitted it. I don't know what kind of solace desktop users are supposed to take from superior "tinkering" capabilities? It certainly didn't stop their CPUs from breaking. Hell, Jay had his completely manually tuned and it went belly up. It just reads like yet another attempt to put the blame anywhere but where it belongs; squarely on Intel.

for this case i doubt so for VMIN sure

 

[511]

I don't know if it's fair to blame OEMs for failing to cope with skyrocketing x64 laptop power limits many times higher than the TDP Intel specifies. If it is built to the specified TDP, they did what Intel told them was required... technically.

well CPU companies specifies the range it is upto OEMs to configure the chips based on their cooling capabilities at least the race to sleep is going away on Intel platform finally with LNL/PTL it won't be missed for sure.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

From the comments on Jay's video -

Jay a few videos ago: "my 9800X3D is too slow for 3D mark" Jay today: "the 14900KS I replaced my 9800X3D with is dying"

What did he think was going to happen?

 

[IEC]

I am up to 4 different Raptor Lake CPUs (14700K, 14600K, 14600K, 14400F). So far none of them have spontaneously raptured (yet) but they are performing light duty as F@H GPU hosts (1-2 thread typical workloads) and as secondary gaming rig so it's not like they're being thrashed all the time. They are also running enforced Intel defaults with BIOSes introduced after vmin shift instability fixes. So theoretically a best-case scenario.

Considering rebates, bundled parts, and free games most of the GPU hosts cost me less than $300 for mobo/cpu/ram and that's for a PCIe 5.0 primary slot and a 4x4 second gpu slot which isn't too limiting for most DC work (lots of cheap Z790/Z690 boards). Time will tell if I got a good deal or not haha.

 

[511]

I am up to 4 different Raptor Lake CPUs (14700K, 14600K, 14600K, 14400F). So far none of them have spontaneously raptured (yet) but they are performing light duty as F@H GPU hosts (1-2 thread typical workloads) and as secondary gaming rig so it's not like they're being thrashed all the time. They are also running enforced Intel defaults with BIOSes introduced after vmin shift instability fixes. So theoretically a best-case scenario.

Considering rebates, bundled parts, and free games most of the GPU hosts cost me less than $300 for mobo/cpu/ram and that's for a PCIe 5.0 primary slot and a 4x4 second gpu slot which isn't too limiting for most DC work (lots of cheap Z790/Z690 boards). Time will tell if I got a good deal or not haha.

$300 is such a nice price for it but yeah only time can tell though the 14400F is an ADL Part so it will be fine.

 

[IEC]

$300 is such a nice price for it but yeah only time can tell though the 14400F is an ADL Part so it will be fine.

Yeah the 14400F (new, retail) + Z790 Edge Wifi (refurb) were $222 shipped from woot. That kind of value for a crunching rig is hard to ignore when it's barely above the price of a 9600X.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Perhaps they are ideal for DC projects like that? I also see users that won the silicon lottery and have been running theirs overclocked for a couple years now.

There are workloads that crush them fast though. A 15-25% failure rate during S.I. internal testing was catastrophic stuff. And IIRC it was edge servers that one Enterprise S.I. said had a failure rate of 100% within 6 months. That's the one that told Wendell Intel just kept throwing trays of CPUs at them. Which meant man hours and downtime.

I would risk it too, given the 5 year warranty and that it would be back up systems for me and not my main. But for a workflow or main system? They would have to pay me to use Raptor Lake.

 

[coercitiv]

This is how "fixed" Raptor Lake looks like in the wild:



Mozilla made changes to their bugbot to stop reporting on crashes from Raptor Lake CPUs.

 

[511]

This is how "fixed" Raptor Lake looks like in the wild:

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Mozilla made changes to their bugbot to stop reporting on crashes from Raptor Lake CPUs.

We can use raptor lake for tracing weather better than supercomputer and save million of dollars

 

[Io Magnesso]

For the sake of industry no.

No
should go bankrupt

This is how "fixed" Raptor Lake looks like in the wild:

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Mozilla made changes to their bugbot to stop reporting on crashes from Raptor Lake CPUs.

This original tweet doesn't mention the word "Even with a Fixed Raptor Lake" at all.
I can't tell from the words of the original tweeter to determine whether it's a fixed Raptor individual or an unfixed Raptor individual...
But Intel must go bankrupt as atonement
And all Intel employees must be obliged to be persecuted as a joint responsibility…

 

[poke01]

should go bankrupt

end of client x86 then

 

[poke01]

Intel won't go bankrupt cause they still make the majority of client sales for laptops.

 

[511]

No
should go bankrupt

Not really you actually don't know how much they have driven the industry

This original tweet doesn't mention the word "Even with a Fixed Raptor Lake" at all.
I can't tell from the words of the original tweeter to determine whether it's a fixed Raptor individual or an unfixed Raptor individual...
But Intel must go bankrupt as atonement
And all Intel employees must be obliged to be persecuted as a joint responsibility…

Calm down this is no fault of employees but the management punishing someone who doesn't have done anything is not right.

 

[Io Magnesso]

end of client x86 then

Ah! I see... that's not good...
I feel like I'm going insane when ARM, who has done negative campaigns against open sources in the past, takes sovereignty...