Intel processors crashing Unreal engine games (and others)

[DAPUNISHER]

More trouble brewing - https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...ws-says-chipmaker-threatens-national-security

 

[Markfw]

More trouble brewing - https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...ws-says-chipmaker-threatens-national-security

This is the headline from the article "

Chinese security officials call for investigation of Intel CPUs for chip failures and security flaws, says chipmaker 'threatens national security'​

 

[511]

This is the headline from the article "

Chinese security officials call for investigation of Intel CPUs for chip failures and security flaws, says chipmaker 'threatens national security'​

Lmao it is 25% revenue cut if they ban them

 

[DrMrLordX]

Lmao it is 25% revenue cut if they ban them

All they have to do is change the CPUID and put a different IHS on there, and then launder the chips through Zhaoxin. I see no problems with this plan!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This "nothing burger" has gotten so big it could be served at the Heart Attack Grill. Seems unavoidable that more government involvement and citizen lawsuits will be announced as time passes.

 

[Markfw]

Intel should have recalled all raptor take to availa lawsuits. including problems like this. Too late now

 

[511]

Intel should have recalled all raptor take to availa lawsuits. including problems like this. Too late now

I wonder how lawsuit will work cause unless there is some admission of knowingly releasing Faulty product I don't see how it will turn out they refunded users promised replacement and extended warranty and there was no harm to boards like AMD Explosion the only thing I hated is how they responded initially

 

[blckgrffn]

Hey, I got like $27 from AMD for buying "8 Core" CPUs so maybe people would get whole dollars back with a multiyear class action against Intel. Keep your receipts!

(mostly /s just in case you were wondering...)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Intel should have recalled all raptor take to availa lawsuits. including problems like this. Too late now

We keep being told that a recall would cost far more. I don't know how that math works. Rep damage, lost sales, RMAs, refunds, S.I./OEM credits, lawsuits, governments getting involved; how did they calculate the recall is more expensive when all of this is still playing out? It may turn out that math was carrying the nothing burger.

Hey, I got like $27 from AMD for buying "8 Core" CPUs so maybe people would get whole dollars back with a multiyear class action against Intel. Keep your receipts!

(mostly /s just in case you were wondering...)

Again, I don't care if all you get is a coupon for a free Frosty. Punitive action is required when companies engage in anti consumer practices.

I wonder how lawsuit will work cause unless there is some admission of knowingly releasing Faulty product I don't see how it will turn out they refunded users promised replacement and extended warranty and there was no harm to boards like AMD Explosion the only thing I hated is how they responded initially

Whataboutism does not fly around here. This has nothing to do with AMD.

Intel knew about the via oxidation issues in 2022. Those CPUs were still on shelves in 2024. They tried to sweep the processor progeria under the rug and failed. They rejected RMAs in masse from enterprise clients. They caused some of those clients significant lost revenue. The list goes on.

Class actions are already in the fact finding phase. At least two governments are investigating. The fun is just getting started.

 

[511]

Whataboutism does not fly around here. This has nothing to do with AMD.

Intel knew about the via oxidation issues in 2022. Those CPUs were still on shelves in 2024. They tried to sweep the processor progeria under the rug and failed. They rejected RMAs in masse from enterprise clients. They caused some of those clients significant lost revenue. The list goes on.

I am not sure everything was Oxidation Issues i am no fab engineer but this lead never sound good to me for everything else i can agree how how they handled made it worse i saved myself as well i wanted to either buy a laptop or RPL Desktop glad i went with laptop 🤣

 

[lopri]

Intel will have a chance to defend itself in the court. I hope Intel will take it seriously.

On the other hand, that backdoor thing on Chinese news has been rumored for a long time. I have heard about it since early 2000's. And if Intel is doing it (presumably in cahoots with CIA), I'd say AMD is also suspect.

But I digress. I hope China will find out.

 

[DrMrLordX]

And if Intel is doing it (presumably in cahoots with CIA)

CIA? More likely NSA.

 

[511]

CIA? More likely NSA.

If they are doing it do you think NSA won't force ut with Nvidia and AMDs throat to do these shenanigans

 

[DrMrLordX]

If they are doing it do you think NSA won't force ut with Nvidia and AMDs throat to do these shenanigans

Sure, especially AMD. What do you think Pluton is doing? It's just . . . this isn't an AMD thread, and what @lopri is discussing only barely passed muster as being on-topic since China recently threatened Intel with import embargoes related to processor security (basically, the idea that China is threatening Intel over Raptor Lake is probably not true, and it's more true that China is either being jingoistic or showing genuine concern over stuff like IME).

 

[511]

Sure, especially AMD. What do you think Pluton is doing? It's just . . . this isn't an AMD thread, and what @lopri is discussing only barely passed muster as being on-topic since China recently threatened Intel with import embargoes related to processor security (basically, the idea that China is threatening Intel over Raptor Lake is probably not true, and it's more true that China is either being jingoistic or showing genuine concern over stuff like IME).

Yeah concerns over IME is genuine

 

[gdansk]

Yeah concerns over IME is genuine

I don't know how relevant it is to this thread but everything has platform processors now.
No one ever mentions concern for Nvidia's GSP which can enumerate other devices on the bus. No one expects their GPU to be the spy, I guess. But if I was a fed I would be targeting that for malicious firmware too as they have more of a data center monopoly than Intel.

 

[511]

I don't know how relevant it is to this thread but everything has platform processors now.
No one ever mentions concern for Nvidia's GSP which can enumerate other devices on the bus. No one expects their GPU to be the spy, I guess. But if I was a fed I would be targeting that for malicious firmware too as they have more of a data center monopoly than Intel.

China don't wanna ban them now do they 🤣

 

[Joe NYC]

$457m of Intel desktop business goes poof

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852396038948028726

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It seems like nearly half a billion of business evaporating would be worth mentioning by Intel management in the earning report or conference call. Especially if it leads permanent loss of commercial desktop monopoly for Intel.

As we have previously discussed; there are costs associated with the rapture lake failures that can't be readily calculated. Loss biz alone can have an enormous negative impact over time. We read reports from IT dept. of companies with 2K+ desktops swapping out for AMD. Universities and colleges, Epic, Alderon Games, and other commercial clients also switching. Other reports of OEM/ODM/S.I.s ramping up Ryzen to replace rapture. Looks like the bleeding started Q2. Latest numbers are distinctly reflecting those reports as accurate. The impact in desktop should continue to be apparent next report.

I told the reality distortion field crew on another message board; whom continuously push the narrative of nothing burger/way over inflated problem, to wait for the financials. Because there won't be any way to hide it. Here we are. Where do they hide replaced CPU expenses, in the IFS losses?

 

[moinmoin]

rapture lake

Nice one!

 

[DrMrLordX]

@DAPUNISHER

It also doesn't help that some review samples of the 285k were unstable (and the 285k itself is unobtanium in many markets) and generally not very performant, even against microcode-updated Raptor Lake-S. It's a one-two punch on consumer confidence.

 

[511]

U9 K is the worst of the SKU of lineup

 

[Glo.]

I've just had first experience of a game crash. Exactly as described, the game run out of memory, despite having really really low requirements.

Stormgate. Built on Unreal Engine, and run on my 12100F(!), which theoretically should be unaffected by the instability issue.

 

[DZero]

Lmao it is 25% revenue cut if they ban them

If Trump wins, he would literally want it... without Intel in China, he thinks that without China, both (Intel and the Chinese) would dance in his hands... The fact would indicate that China would get the whole Chinese market for themselves since AMD and nVIDIA would be on trouble too, while Intel would be royally screwed and forced to increase prices in order to not to lose the earnings.

I've just had first experience of a game crash. Exactly as described, the game run out of memory, despite having really really low requirements.

Stormgate. Built on Unreal Engine, and run on my 12100F(!), which theoretically should be unaffected by the instability issue.

Ok... this is now turning into a big problem... if this is just once, is OK, but if it happens constantly...

 

[Glo.]

The best bit.

Only thing that was running in the background was Steam. And NOTHING else. No Discord, browser, Battle.net, mail app, etc. Nothing. Just steam and the game. And it crashed, when I created custom game with AI basic bot. Later, when I will play again I will test it again.