Intel partially transitioning to BGA 2H 2013:

[blackened23]

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UPDATED! More information and COMPLETE intel press deck here:

http://www.myce.com/news/exclusive-leaked-russian-intel-boxed-cpu-roadmap-67847/

A Russian IT distributor has leaked an Intel roadmap of boxed CPUs. The PDF was authored on the first of July by a technical marketing engineer from Intel. The document contains updates on information that was already available on the internet and gives a close look of Intel’s upcoming plans on its boxed desktop CPUs and platform. For your convenience all slides are available in the gallery below. If you see interesting stuff, please post in our reactions to point it out to others.A large number of Pentium and Celeron processors get axed, amongst them the G860, G645, G645T, G550T, G555, G645, G630, G620, G622, G870, G860T, G640, G630T, G640T, G550, G540T, G460, G530, and G530T, will be marked “EOL” (end of life). From its Core i3 “Sandy Bridge” lineup, Core i3-2100, i3-2125, i3-2130, i3-2120T, i3-2102 and Core i5 “Sandy Bridge” series, the i5-2390T gets tagged EOL.The roadmap also shows that Intel’s first CPUs in a BGA (ball grid array) package should arrive in Q4 2013. They can be considered System-on-chip (SoC) more than CPUs because they are a combined CPU with motherboard chipset. The motherboards with these chips will not allow for replacing the SoC.The BGA chips will be based on the Bay Trail-D architecture and Intel will make Celeron, Pentium, Haswell Core i5 and i7 CPUs using the BGA technology.

http://www.chiploco.com/leaked-haswell-bga-ivy-bridge-e-haswell-refresh-26893/

A plethora of Intel’s desktop roadmap slides have leaked revealing a lot of information about upcoming products and their launch time-frames. To begin with, the slides reveal Intel’s plan about the fate of Haswell desktop BGA chips. They are planned to launched by the end of this year and they’ll be bear the Pentium and Celeron tags along with a few high-performance Core i7 and Core i5 models too. Furthermore, detailed specifications and launch time frame of Ivy Bridge-E HEDT parts have also been confirmed by these slides. Lastly, these also reveal the Haswell-refresh which we’ll see by the mid of 2014.

Any predictions based on this? I feel like intel will shift most of their desktop resources to the Xeon and Enthusiast line of 6/8 core processors, and these processors will remain Socketed for years to come. I'm not sure of the implications on their mainstream parts, the K parts are obviously remaining socketed - but I'm not sure if that will remain the case for future generations.

What do you guys think?

 

[Yuriman]

Pentium and Celeron quads?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Note that Pentium and Celeron are 100% pure "Bay Trail". This means no more bulky, hot POS cheap laptops using reject 35W Core CPUs + 4W PCHs. All laptops will be thin and power-sipping. Haswell/Broadwell at the high end, and then the new Atom for the mainstream.

The best part? The more money Intel makes on Atom, the more $ they'll throw at the development, which means better mainstream computing for everybody.

 

[blackened23]

Note that Pentium and Celeron are 100% pure "Bay Trail". This means no more bulky, hot POS cheap laptops using reject 35W Core CPUs + 4W PCHs. All laptops will be thin and power-sipping. Haswell/Broadwell at the high end, and then the new Atom for the mainstream.

The best part? The more money Intel makes on Atom, the more $ they'll throw at the development, which means better mainstream computing for everybody.

I could be mistaken, but i'm under the impression that some celeron and pentium models will be 4th gen core based - as is indicated on their roadmap. Yes, a large portion of them will be Bay Trail, but for some confusing reason some appear to be core based *shrug*.

 

[NTMBK]

I could be mistaken, but i'm under the impression that some celeron and pentium models will be 4th gen core based - as is indicated on their roadmap. Yes, a large portion of them will be Bay Trail, but for some confusing reason some appear to be core based *shrug*.

Someone in Intel Sales clearly sat down and thought "you know what, we should make our names even more confusing and user unfriendly!"

 

[NTMBK]

Note that Pentium and Celeron are 100% pure "Bay Trail". This means no more bulky, hot POS cheap laptops using reject 35W Core CPUs + 4W PCHs. All laptops will be thin and power-sipping. Haswell/Broadwell at the high end, and then the new Atom for the mainstream.

The best part? The more money Intel makes on Atom, the more $ they'll throw at the development, which means better mainstream computing for everybody.

So they're copying the Bobcat/Jaguar model?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Note that Pentium and Celeron are 100% pure "Bay Trail". This means no more bulky, hot POS cheap laptops using reject 35W Core CPUs + 4W PCHs. All laptops will be thin and power-sipping. Haswell/Broadwell at the high end, and then the new Atom for the mainstream.

The best part? The more money Intel makes on Atom, the more $ they'll throw at the development, which means better mainstream computing for everybody.

If true, it will be interesting what the performance will be. So far, I am not as impressed as expected with Kabini laptops. They seem a bit underpowered still, and battery life is not outstanding for the low performance.

I have a feeling atom laptops will be the same way as regards to performance, but possibly with better battery life.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Who cares if they go BGA? I would only care if they went exclusively BGA or the limited products they did release (highly unlikely) weren't for our market segment.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Someone in Intel Sales clearly sat down and thought "you know what, we should make our names even more confusing and user unfriendly!"

Previously I thought AMDs naming was the most confusing, but rebranding Atom as celeron and pentium is just as bad if not worse.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If true, it will be interesting what the performance will be. So far, I am not as impressed as expected with Kabini laptops. They seem a bit underpowered still, and battery life is not outstanding for the low performance.

I have a feeling atom laptops will be the same way as regards to performance, but possibly with better battery life.

The Pentium one being a 2.4Ghz quadcore might help abit. But again, its a value segment. And going from 35W TDP to 10W or less TDP is not a bad thing either. But we can see when results hit.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Previously I thought AMDs naming was the most confusing, but rebranding Atom as celeron and pentium is just as bad if not worse.

Kabini is also A series. If you got a known brand you keep reusing it. And the Celeron and pentium brand would most likely be empty of SKUs without it. And they are better known than Atom.

But its still amazing, such huge marketing departments for both companies. And their results are....

 

[SammichPG]

Source:

What do you guys think?

- yearly cadence socket change and/or bios incompatibility with tick processors
- cheap goop under the ihs
- feature "segmentation" on k parts (aka artificial limitations)

LGA has been so neutered as a concept that the vast majority of people don't have a good reason to use it over a BGA variant.

The biggest of the pc market is already using BGA in laptops so...

 

[blackened23]

Who cares if they go BGA? I would only care if they went exclusively BGA or the limited products they did release (highly unlikely) weren't for our market segment.

It appears they're going BGA for everything sans the extreme high end E/X and Xeon CPUs in the future, broadwell is mobile only initially. There is no word of a mainstream-K Broadwell CPU, only Broadwell-E. This isn't fully affecting the 4th generation, as many mainstream CPUs (obviously...) are retaining a socket. Yet at the same time, quad core with HT processors are transitioning to BGA as well. Initially they're being offered in both LGA and BGA, but with the 5th generation it seems that even more processors will be BGA.

Let's be clear in that this doesn't JUST affect the value line. Reading their roadmaps, it appears that intel is shifting many more to BGA, and the complete absence of broadwell on the desktop is anecdotal evidence of this. Yet there is a broadwell-E on their roadmaps. That tells you that Broadwell is BGA only, except for the 6/8 core variants.

My theory is that sometime in the future with the 5th generation, that all socketed CPUs will be for 6/8 core CPUs. Again, conjecture and theory on my part, but that's what all of the provided roadmaps seem to indicate with respect to Broadwell. Personally? I don't care that much if it does happen, as there is absolutely not one reason for intel to ever switch the E processors to BGA - so these will retain the LGA form factor for years to come. And Ivy-E is looking awfully tempting at this point...

 

[podspi]

I actually thought AMD's naming system was alright, until they started mixing A-series architectures...

What I don't understand is why Intel doesn't let the Pentium and Celeron brand names just die. It would make better sense to have something like an i1/i3/i5/i7 system.

 

[wilds]

Quad Core pentium could be a total game changer for budget gaming rigs.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Someone in Intel Sales clearly sat down and thought "you know what, we should make our names even more confusing and user unfriendly!"

Heh, right?

 

[Exophase]

If true, it will be interesting what the performance will be. So far, I am not as impressed as expected with Kabini laptops. They seem a bit underpowered still, and battery life is not outstanding for the low performance.

I have a feeling atom laptops will be the same way as regards to performance, but possibly with better battery life.

If you're unhappy with the performance of 4C 2GHz Kabini laptops then you'll probably be unhappy with the performance of 4C 2.4GHz Silvermonts. Unless Intel pulled some real rabbits out of its hat I don't see IPC on Silvermont being better than Jaguar's, much less something like Core 2 or better.

Should be a lot better than Cedar Trail, though...

 

[Nothingness]

I don't mind BGA (I even think it's electrically better than using sockets) as I typically swap both the CPU and the MB (and anyway the sockets change too quickly).

OTOH I'm furious against Intel and their stupid segmentation. TSX probably is a very interesting feature, but it's missing from many Haswell models. That's the best way to ensure developers likely won't bother with it. Utterly stupid.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If you're unhappy with the performance of 4C 2GHz Kabini laptops then you'll probably be unhappy with the performance of 4C 2.4GHz Silvermonts. Unless Intel pulled some real rabbits out of its hat I don't see IPC on Silvermont being better than Jaguar's, much less something like Core 2 or better.

Should be a lot better than Cedar Trail, though...

At least a 2.4GHz Bay Trail will be <10W. What's a 2GHz Kabini? A 25W part? Not even fanless...

 

[Arachnotronic]

OTOH I'm furious against Intel and their stupid segmentation. TSX probably is a very interesting feature, but it's missing from many Haswell models. That's the best way to ensure developers likely won't bother with it. Utterly stupid.

Agreed...I'm not sure why Intel wouldn't just enable this across the board :/

 

[Arachnotronic]

So they're copying the Bobcat/Jaguar model?

Of course. AMD's strategy here is *very* smart.

 

[NTMBK]

Heh, right?

At this point I genuinely think AMD and Intel are in a stupid naming arms race First we had AMD copying Intel's i3/5/7 with A4/6/8 (which of course have to be one number higher, to demonstrate AMD superiority ) and now Intel is copying the whole "lets remove any meaning that our product names had at all" thing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

At this point I genuinely think AMD and Intel are in a stupid naming arms race First we had AMD copying Intel's i3/5/7 with A4/6/8 (which of course have to be one number higher, to demonstrate AMD superiority ) and now Intel is copying the whole "lets remove any meaning that our product names had at all" thing.

This is the part I dont get. Normally we can all talk BS about that we can do a better job than x company personnel. But these namings, we can do better. And its not like we need 6 months of endless meetings and powerpoint slides to do it either.

These people cant be this incompetent by nature. They have to do it on purpose.

 

[bradly1101]

Since going Intel I always have to upgrade my socket and RAM anyway. I haven't put more than one processor in a board in a very long time (I know that others do).

 

[Exophase]

At least a 2.4GHz Bay Trail will be <10W. What's a 2GHz Kabini? A 25W part? Not even fanless...

Yeah but what dose this have to do with what I said? If Kabini isn't enough CPU power for him Silvermont probably won't be either. All the power efficiency in the world won't change that.