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adroc_thurston

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Note some of narratives that were going on, at first some would say mainstream RDNA 5 iGPU was to come during/compared with PTL's 12Xe3
that was never, ever a thing.
PTL intercept (back when it was still 2025) was the OG KRK with 16CU RDNA4.5.
now it looks like it would come even later.
It was always like that.
Not a question of GPU perf at all, but who gets to do client GEMM accel.
 

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that was never, ever a thing.

It was always like that.
Not a question of GPU perf at all, but who gets to do client GEMM accel.
I was thinking Computex 2027 or later(for RDNA 5 iGPUs) which seems to be the way as it looks CES 2028+
Well, all kinds of weird comparisons were there and kinda unreasonable.

Weren't you one of those who was saying NVL-H's 12Xe3p would be "roadkilled" ?
yeah they are.

don' matter, it's gonna get roadkilled by the gfx13 blob either way.

Seems no competition for a year or so now.
We'll see what comes next. I am hoping both will do real well in whatever way(whether someone wins by big amount or they are equally competitive or whatever, interested to see progress).
 

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Weren't you one of those who was saying NVL-H's 12Xe3p would be "roadkilled" ?
Yeah it's just gonna get mogged.
It's not a part to compete with Intel, it's made to take NV slots away.
as it looks CES 2028+
Nope.
CES28 will be a big gfx refresh for both vendors doe.
We'll see what comes next I am hoping both will do real well in whatever way(whether someone wins by big amount or they are equally competitive or whatever, interested to see progress).
Meh, Intel has no CPUs until Unified Core.
 

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Yeah it's just gonna get mogged.
It's not a part to compete with Intel, it's made to take NV slots away.
Yeah, you carry on with your unreasonable 1 year old vs new comparisons.
Nope.
CES28 will be a big gfx refresh for both vendors doe.
CES 2028+ means it includes CES 2028. CES 2028 is expected.

Meh, Intel has no CPUs until Unified Core.
Was talking about iGPU but yeah, again change narrative to some distant future.
Ignore PTL and others since those don't suit your narrative.
 

adroc_thurston

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Yeah, you carry on with your unreasonable 1 year old vs new comparisons.
Intel doesn't have anything better. RZL is a CPU tile swap.
CES 2028+ means it includes CES 2028. CES 2028 is expected.
uh, nope.
Was talking about iGPU but yeah, again change narrative to some distant future.
Ignore PTL and others since those don't suit your narrative.
PTL sucks balls.
2024 CPU perf on N3-class node is big yuck. iGPs fine at least but it works and performs like a 50% bigger LNL would.
 

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Intel doesn't have anything better. RZL is a CPU tile swap.
RZL is decent or not isn't the point. How's that relevant to notebook iGPU discussion that was going on ?

PTL sucks balls.
2024 CPU perf on N3-class node is big yuck. iGPs fine at least but it works and performs like a 50% bigger LNL would.
What matters it is that it's a superior product in x86 world, who cares if the competition didn't show up ?

uh, nope.
Nah that's what it means, notation doesn't become different for you. Anyway semantics.
 
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Intel doesn't update their iGPs much after NVL.
That has to be seen and again nothing to do with this year or next. Intel's recent notebook iGPU IP cadence has been pretty decent for now. If it uses Xe3p twice that's fine, enough knobs(memory, clocks, units, etc.) to eek out perf, after that they need something more(Xe4 or some rumored "Xe3p V2"), that remains to be seen. Very far out to speculate. It's not like AMD has done faster iterations always.

The only superior bit is the BL. But you could've gotten that a year ago with LNL so what are we even talking about?
LNL didn't provide those levels of performance, it was good otherwise.
 

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ARL-H was too have been out about a year with much more design choices compared to Strix Point, which had launched somewhat earlier to ARL-H.
ARL-H sucks donkeyballs so we can stop pretending any of it was worth it.
LNL was a nice part with good designs though (godbless X1c).
 

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slower than stx1 with N3. big yuck.
Top vs Top, Similar or higher 1T perf, bit lower nT perf.
Users generally don't care what node is used.
More design choices and more volume that's what matters.
HX370 and AI 9 365 were pretty good but not as much volume or choice, simple.
 

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From that POV eternal 666 years of Raptor Lake deliver anything anyone would ever need.
Don't skew the comparison, again. It was Strix Point vs ARL-H since you have objections with PTL being similar ST while ignoring other stuff/aspects of present.
Raptor didn't have ARL-H's or Strix Points' battery life, iGPU, etc.

this is cope.
They suck and you know it.
Said like one truly hates something.
 

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Don't skew the comparison, again. It was Strix Point vs ARL-H since you have objections with PTL being similar ST while ignoring other stuff/aspects of present.
other aspects do not really compensate for RPL-H 1t perf in 2026.
This is the second Intel N3-class mobile platform with no 1t gains relative to 2023 stuff.
Raptor didn't have ARL-H's or Strix Points' battery life, iGPU, etc.
Raptor was cheap and good, and ARL-H was expensive and Bad. Pretty simple.
Said like one truly hates something.
I can't hate Intel at all, but they're not very competent people.
Especially not DCAI folks (lobotomite farm).