apoppin
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i do
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...-quad-core-processors/
So i am getting a quad core CPU that may clock just under 4Ghz as opposed to a Dual Core that will clock just over 4.3Ghz.
- big deal if i spend a few extra bucks
Did you miss where i said i will be *reviewing* games and HW and i need 4 cores? - otherwise i will be like the DC guys and not know what i may be missing.
:roll:
Nemesis 1
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Originally posted by: apoppin
No not really getting you analogy.
Anand made it pretty damn clear that Neha is for everyone *except* gamers - me. He is telling us the color of the rabbit.
so .. What ARE you trying to tell us?
--that Neha does impress for gaming?
--that it is so impressive - also o/c'd - over Penryn's current O/C'd 4+Ghz that we should wait for it?
my 4870x2 is arriving this week and i am going for e0 q550 as soon as i get back from Nvision and x48 .. that is the plan, so far.
Well aigomorla has now finnally convienced me he has seen nehalem inaction . But he has only seen the buggy stuff, Will Nehalem excel in Games . Its not going to hurt ya. Than their is that QPI link to the top end . Well see soon enough. But there is something strange going on with every preview of Nehalem when it comes to Gaming . I recall other preview were Memory bandwidth kinda sucked . Its looking a lot better now . Patients grasshopper.
Have ya seen the lost planet benchmarks yet +50%
soccerballtux I am far from clever, merely using the language I spent more than a decade conversing in.
I perpetually forget that industry shorthand sometimes gets lost in translation.
Now that you guys have mentioned it, I wonder how many people get zero out of my posts whenever I make comments about xtors (transistors).
Dadofamunky
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Originally posted by: apoppin
i do
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...-quad-core-processors/
So i am getting a quad core CPU that may clock just under 4Ghz as opposed to a Dual Core that will clock just over 4.3Ghz.
- big deal if i spend a few extra bucks
Did you miss where i said i will be *reviewing* games and HW and i need 4 cores? - otherwise i will be like the DC guys and not know what i may be missing.
:roll:
Hmmm... based on what I'm seeing around the tubes, it's hard to get any quad up over 3.7. I certainly could be wrong though. I know I'll stick with duals for awhile.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Dadofamunky
Originally posted by: apoppin
i do
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...-quad-core-processors/
So i am getting a quad core CPU that may clock just under 4Ghz as opposed to a Dual Core that will clock just over 4.3Ghz.
- big deal if i spend a few extra bucks
Did you miss where i said i will be *reviewing* games and HW and i need 4 cores? - otherwise i will be like the DC guys and not know what i may be missing.
:roll:
Hmmm... based on what I'm seeing around the tubes, it's hard to get any quad up over 3.7. I certainly could be wrong though. I know I'll stick with duals for awhile.
E0 stepping of Q9550 wis evidently a much better O/C'er .. when i get back from Nvision next week, i will try to get the latest stepping.
Once you get ~4.0 Ghz - either 2 or 4 cores - my 4870x3 will not be bottlenecked at 19x12 in most games .. and i'd much prefer to do my benching on a Quad core
We know that games have been programmed for multi-core for nearly 2 years now and that these games are due ... very shortly
here is an old list that likes more than 2 cores:
? Supreme Commander (THQ/Gas Powered Games)
? BioShock (2K Games/ Irrational Games)
? Microsoft Flight Sim X ? (MGS)
? Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (Ubisoft/ GRIN)
? Stranglehold (Midway)
? Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (Activision/ iD/ Splash Damage)
? Assassin?s Creed (Ubisoft)
? Warhammer MMORPG (EA/Mythic)
? Unreal Tournament 3 (Midway)
? The Witcher (Atari/CD Projekt)
? Half-Life 2: Episode II (Valve)
? Tabula Rasa (NC Soft)
? World in Conflict (Vivendi/Sierra)
? Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (Gearbox/ Ubisoft)
? Fury (Auran/Gamecock)
? Alan Wake (MGS/ Remedy)
Do you *really* think i should keep my p35/e4300 and WAIT for Neha?
Didnt want to start another i7 thread....but here is an interesting article that kind of goes over some of what we already knew. But it looks the quads will be on duals/singles anyway when the extra cores are not in use.
http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...o-Mode-Intel,6193.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...o-Mode-Intel,6193.html
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oh theres 1 person who posted on this thread who has seen my chip.
If he wants to vouch for me its up to him.
He hasnt seen any performance numbers tho. :T
Originally posted by: myocardia
That's four quads above 4 Ghz, all at one guys house.
Geeze myo since when i was considered "normal". LOL.
i actually have 4 more, but 2 is a 9550 and the other 2 9400's. There not 4ghz machines, but they are E0's.
solofly
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Do you *really* think i should keep my p35/e4300 and WAIT for Neha?
According to that review November is the month for Nehalem. Lets see, that's around 3 months away. The question you should be asking is how often do you upgrade. Unless you have buyers lined up and can sell your gear without too much loss, I would think hard.
I actually thought about getting Q9550 myself the other day but instead I'll be getting some more DDR3 before they change revisions on me...
I'm already dreaming of the day when I'll have my i7 + 12GB of RAM and some fast, very fast video card action... (Nvidia excluded) :evil:
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*trying to put up a detour sign*
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=199151
okey im stepping out of this thread b4 i piss off more people again. :T
You crazy kids and your double entendres, I have no idea what you are writing about but I suspect it's a fad in Germany and probably outlawed in the remainder of Europe. :shocked:
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: apoppin
Do you *really* think i should keep my p35/e4300 and WAIT for Neha?
According to that review November is the month for Nehalem. Lets see, that's around 3 months away. The question you should be asking is how often do you upgrade. Unless you have buyers lined up and can sell your gear without too much loss, I would think hard.
I actually thought about getting Q9550 myself the other day but instead I'll be getting some more DDR3 before they change revisions on me...
I'm already dreaming of the day when I'll have my i7 + 12GB of RAM and some fast, very fast video card action... (Nvidia excluded) :evil:
OK .. all of September, October, and November ... and i will be privileged to pay 300+ for a brand new MB that will be buggy as hell and a largely untested CPU for $284 that *should* OC.
And we already know it is not optimized for gaming.
Why should i have buyer's "lined up" ?
- i *always* sell my old HW well it is still current. i already sold my 2900xt/2900pro. Do you think i will take much loss on my $114 e4300? My MB is still a very fast OCer although it is not such a great choice for 4870 Crossfire. And i can REUSE my DDR2 - if it doesn't "quite" make the OC, i will not die performance-wise to use a divider.
i am dreaming of the day .. very soon, probably late Spring when i migrate to Neha .. after you early adopters work out the bugs for us mainstream guys. In the meantime, i doubt there is a *single game* you will play on your i7 that i will have any problem with on my Penryn .. certainly a 4.0Ghz Q9550 and hd4870x3 will manage anything in the next 9 months at 19x12 that we can toss at it
and it will still be very current when i sell it
it's my philosophy and it has always worked for me before
The thing that I am wondering about Nehalem's turbo mode is how it will work with multipliers. If Intel is going to boost performance of a certain core with a turbo mode, then that must mean that the multiplier is upwards unlocked.... A 2.66GHz would have a stock 20x multiplier, but in turbo mode one core would have a higher multiplier of 21x or 22x, for 2.8GHz/2.93GHz. While I can't see Intel allowing this to be adjustable by the user, it does mean that Nehalem CPUs will be technically unlocked, from what I can see at least.
As for Nehalem performance in games.... personally I think that the Anandtech IT piece is a bit too conservative as to what the real performance boost is going to be. They are right, Nehalem is not a CPU designed to improve performance in games or other lightly threaded applications. But I still think that the greatly enhanced memory performance from the tri-channel IMC is going to outweigh the loss in cache. The L3 cache in Nehalem is not that slow either; it is significantly faster than the L3 in AMD's Phenom processors. Combine the more than 2x increase in memory performance over Yorkfield with the small tweaks to the core and throw in the turbo function, and Nehalem will still provide a solid increase over Yorkfield for gaming.
As for Nehalem performance in games.... personally I think that the Anandtech IT piece is a bit too conservative as to what the real performance boost is going to be. They are right, Nehalem is not a CPU designed to improve performance in games or other lightly threaded applications. But I still think that the greatly enhanced memory performance from the tri-channel IMC is going to outweigh the loss in cache. The L3 cache in Nehalem is not that slow either; it is significantly faster than the L3 in AMD's Phenom processors. Combine the more than 2x increase in memory performance over Yorkfield with the small tweaks to the core and throw in the turbo function, and Nehalem will still provide a solid increase over Yorkfield for gaming.
does seem like nehe does leave a door open for amd, its not the massive jump in performance we expected.
There's no need to release a 4GHz Nehalem for $1000 when they can release a 3.2GHz Nehalem for $1000.
Intel is intentionally setting the clockspeed of Nehalem such that it just eclipses their existing and unchallenged Penryn based products.
Why would Intel want to make their entire product line obsolete while they ramp up production volume of Nehalem?
You can bet that if and when AMD steps up and delivers a product that rivals existing top of the line Yorkfield and Nehalem then Intel will release higher speed chips to ensure the top-dollar SKU remains theirs.
Mixed bag, but early hardware. The problem is the price its going to be. This is a whole new platform.
taltamir
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what is seems like is that nehalem is the next phenom.
Phenom is a good lead for certain server and business apps, but offers nothing to the gamer. Who is better off with a higher clocked X2.
Nehalem does the same to penryn. They don't offer much to the gamer, but go after AMDs last remaining bastion with a vengence... the question is... what will AMD offer after the phenom to compete with nehalem.
Phenom is a good lead for certain server and business apps, but offers nothing to the gamer. Who is better off with a higher clocked X2.
Nehalem does the same to penryn. They don't offer much to the gamer, but go after AMDs last remaining bastion with a vengence... the question is... what will AMD offer after the phenom to compete with nehalem.
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