"Intel Nehalem benchmarked" (Hexus)

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
what is seems like is that nehalem is the next phenom.
Phenom is a good lead for certain server and business apps, but offers nothing to the gamer. Who is better off with a higher clocked X2.

Nehalem does the same to penryn. They don't offer much to the gamer, but go after AMDs last remaining bastion with a vengence... the question is... what will AMD offer after the phenom to compete with nehalem.

Ouch, you just made thousands of Intel employees spit out their Bailey's and coffee this morning.

The distinction here is that Intel is intentionally setting the clockspeeds of Nehalem so as to not invalidate the existing Penryn product line (which has higher profit margins after all).

Phenom's clockspeeds were not intentionally lowered to avoid cannibalizing lucrative X2 gross margins.

Nehalem looks to be presented to the consumer in a much more engineered marketing fashion to ensure segmentation (for the near term) and maximum profit from selling those $1k 3.2GHz kits. Hardly a Phenom vs. X2 situation.

But the Intel boys should be proud, think about it fellas, for once someone made disparaging remarks about your upcoming processor tech (which is unquestionably the faster in the world) and it wasn't done by comparing it to Prescott/Northwood analogies in the slightest. That's progress!

 

[taltamir]

well, i recently upgraded my E8400 to a Q6600... I was looking forward to upgrading to nehalem. But from what I am reading, I will stick to the Q660 a while longer. MAYBE get a Q9500 or whatever the 45nm quads are called.

 

[Majic 7]

From what I saw in Drwho?s video, Nehalem must offer something besides great multi-thread performance. In case some of you haven't seen it he has 220 gigs of pictures and videos, mostly pictures, on a touch screen all at once. I'm hardly techie enough to understand the implications of this, but I'm impressed.http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...=3240760&postcount=161 This seems to be a serious use of power.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
well, i recently upgraded my E8400 to a Q6600... I was looking forward to upgrading to nehalem. But from what I am reading, I will stick to the Q660 a while longer. MAYBE get a Q9500 or whatever the 45nm quads are called.

The dekstop 45nm quads end with "50" much like AMD's B3 TLB fixed chips.

So it would be the Q9550, not Q9500. Etc.

Things get a little wierd when you get to Skulltrail with its Q9770 (3.2GHz with 400MHz FSB).

edit: I just realized you were probably aware of this and were talking about the 1/2 cache sized yorkfields (6MB vs. 12MB) which do end with "00" as the Q9300 and Q9400. Yeah it stands to reason to believe they will eventually release a Q9500 as well.

 

[taltamir]

no, i wasn't aware,
thanks for the info. I mean, sure if i was a millionere then an extreme version of neha would be nice. But as it is, I need to see some justification for the price disparity.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: pcgamer321
Hmm, I'm gonna wait for more info to come out.

Am I the only one that finds this post funny

 

[walk2k]

"As IDF has started, the first benchmarks of Nehalem will probably pop up. It is without a doubt an impressive architecture that gets a much better platform to run on, but this CPU is not about giving you better frames per second in your favorite game than the Penryn family. Let me make that more clear: even when the GPU is not the bottleneck, it is likely that most games will not be significantly faster than on Penryn.

He doesn't say they will be slower! They WILL be faster, but maybe not "significantly" faster.

Of course this is the most important quote that some of you seem to be overlooking;

And no, I have not seen any tests before I type this.

 

[walk2k]

OR this:

We alluded to the fact that it wasn't all roses in the Nehalem garden, as far as the test box was concerned. One look in Device Manager showed that not all the correct drivers had been installed, which did little to hinder 2D performance, but played a part in sub-optimal 3D results.

Yet still, look at the Company of Heros and ETQW (low) scores, per-clock (2.93 vs 2.93) improvements of easily 15-20% (!!) even WITH the messy driver situation apparently.

15-20% per-clock is pretty "significant". Keep in mind the QX6800 was a $1000 "Extreme" chip while the Nehalam 2.93GHz will be the enthusiast chip (under $500? under $400?)

 

[VirtualLarry]

What is the likelyhood that the current upcoming batch of Nehalem chips are essentially the "Willamette" of Neha. I mean, they will be significantly improved with upgraded steppings in a short while. Do you think?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
What is the likelyhood that the current upcoming batch of Nehalem chips are essentially the "Willamette" of Neha. I mean, they will be significantly improved with upgraded steppings in a short while. Do you think?

um, no. there's no such thing as significant improvement after production qualification.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: walk2k
OR this:

We alluded to the fact that it wasn't all roses in the Nehalem garden, as far as the test box was concerned. One look in Device Manager showed that not all the correct drivers had been installed, which did little to hinder 2D performance, but played a part in sub-optimal 3D results.

Yet still, look at the Company of Heros and ETQW (low) scores, per-clock (2.93 vs 2.93) improvements of easily 15-20% (!!) even WITH the messy driver situation apparently.

15-20% per-clock is pretty "significant". Keep in mind the QX6800 was a $1000 "Extreme" chip while the Nehalam 2.93GHz will be the enthusiast chip (under $500? under $400?)

isn't world in conflict that anomolous game where the phenom tears intel chips a new one? even a 4ghz QX (which performs the same as an E8400 or a Q6600 stock)...
The argument was that the phenom's IO superiority (database feature) somehow came into play in that game...
Neha should close that gap... but those kind of games are very rare (I started digging, only found another game where phenom gets slightly above and slightly below intel depending on resolution, and that is it).