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ilkhan

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OT: whats Intel's NAND shrink after 34nm (aka the probable G3 SSD generation, with 100% more SATA6Gbps)
 

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Originally posted by: ilkhan
OT: whats Intel's NAND shrink after 34nm (aka the probable G3 SSD generation, with 100% more SATA6Gbps)

I'm clueless there, whatever they can viably push their immersion litho tools to do.

Flash nodes numbers are not just labels like they are in CMOS logic, a flash node is explicitly defined as the uncontacted gate half-pitch which is why every flash manufacturer has a seemingly unique node number. Micron has 34nm, Samsung has 42nm, etc.

Intel (Micron) went from 50nm to 34nm. That's a nice shrink factor of 0.68x. Assuming they went over-aggressive by 0.02x in a way that can't be repeated for the next node, and perhaps they end up "falling back" to the 0.7x scaling trend line leading from their 50nm node, that would put their next gen node at around 24-25nm.

Timing wise, it took ~2.5yrs for IM Flash to go from 50nm to 34nm, so we'd be pleasantly surprised to see their next node in the fall of 2011.

(as fast as things change in this industry that sure seems painfully slow coming doesn't?)
 

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Originally posted by: drizek
Question: Since arrandale has most of the northbridge integrated and yet still costs about the same as a penryn, does that mean arrandale systems are going to be cheaper since you don't have to buy a chipset separately now?

Some of the costs transfer to the CPU, so it'll be a wee bit more expensive.

thanks OT: whats Intel's NAND shrink after 34nm (aka the probable G3 SSD generation, with 100% more SATA6Gbps)

I found that weird, but according to the leaked info, the next NAND process for Intel is 22nm, the same as CPUs. The code name is Taylorsville. Also, the 34nm Postville is supposed to get a performance-oriented refresh(not talking about X25-E, but an entirely new X25-M) next year along with 320GB drives. Maybe the Postville refresh will bring up SATA3-600 support.

Intel went from being behind with the 70nm flash and with 34nm not only they caught up they exceeded rest of the industry. Lithography is sure their prowess...