Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[adroc_thurston]

same

how's 18A yields brotha

still no products on market though

Overlapped no product schedules.

so it would be a repeat we won't see product on hand till Q1 29 at best

Again, Zen7 is Q3'28 on A14.
Apple's also tapping it there.
You can guess the third guy in this merry band yourself.

 

[511]

how's 18A yields brotha

D0 is fine parametric will be fine in a quarter or two

You can guess the third guy in this merry band yourself.

I can't guess beside those two

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

*tucks on the hazmat suit*
They did the meme, I can't believe this.
22.4/41.4 = 54% perf retained on battery. The max performance you deserve.

 

[adroc_thurston]

D0 is fine parametric will be fine in a quarter or two

Fine in a year, yes.

I can't guess beside those two

Very easy guess, who else ships stuff late in the year.

 

[511]

*tucks on the hazmat*
They did the meme, I can't believe this.
22.4/41.4 = 54% perf retained on battery. The max performance you deserve.
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Qualcomm Marketing Part 2 incoming

 

[511]

Very easy guess, who else ships stuff late in the year.

Can't be Intel cause Intel products would be doing 14A only renaming party is Qcom,mediatek

 

[adroc_thurston]

Can't be Intel cause Intel products would be doing 14A only renaming party is Qcom,mediatek

See, you're very close.

 

[poke01]

From some of the initial reviews battery life improvements feel pretty decent esp. considering it doesn't have the "memory-on-package" and PMIC of Lunar Lake.

Decent?
Dude it gets destroyed by the M5 in terms of battery life.

Did we even watch the same video.

 

[Joe NYC]

no, we haven’t seen solid indication that Intel is prepping an 8+16 Meteor Lake CPU tile yet

I think you should jump to the end of the thread, to current discussions.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Dude it gets destroyed by the M5 in terms of battery life.

It's a cheaper platform than that.
It's aight but I expected a bit more from a 99Wh device.
OLED tho. I need thinkpad numbers now, basically. iso chassis.

 

[regen1]

Decent?
Dude it gets destroyed by the M5 in terms of battery life.

Did we even watch the same video.

Compared to ARL-H it's good improvements also decent vs LNL (as I had already mentioned) considering LNL had MoP and PMIC.
In x86 world PTL and LNL are kinda at the top wrt Battery life.
If this is "destroyed" according to you then what is Gorgon/Strix Point ?

 

[poke01]

If this is "destroyed" according to you then what is Gorgon/Strix Point ?

ancient Sillicon. Dead in the water till Medusa point

 

[mikegg]

Decent?
Dude it gets destroyed by the M5 in terms of battery life.

Did we even watch the same video.

It got great web browsing battery life but:

* Who the heck browses at 150 nits?

* Doesn't account for throttling

* Doesn't account for performance

Any good reviewer should measure power efficiency of the SoC through the wall instead to rule out other components. For example, a Mini LED will use 2x more power than an OLED display.

 

[adroc_thurston]

ancient Sillicon. Dead in the water till Medusa point

They're gaining share and there's no stopping it.

 

[regen1]

From some of the initial reviews battery life improvements feel pretty decent esp. considering it doesn't have the "memory-on-package" and PMIC of Lunar Lake.

Adding a few images related to battery life from the video and Bibalaptop's review

 

[regen1]

Intel Core Ultra X9 388H im Test: das iGPU-Biest: Gaming-Benchmarks

Core Ultra X9 388H im Test: Gaming-Benchmarks / Die Leistung in Spielen / Die Leistung in Spielen am Akku / XeSS MFG 3× / De- und Encoding

www.computerbase.de

Decode/Encode matrix(for MTL/LNL/PTL) from CB

 

[Joe NYC]

Looks like a nice chip, but it's 18A vs N4 (and 18 months old arch), nice improvements tho, wonder at what cost.

AMD is paying the price for not iterating.

Iteration brings you newer node, updated SoC, updated IP.

Lisa really needs to re-think it if she wants AMD to capture 40% of client market. It is not going to happen if AMD releases new products only every 2.5 years.

 

[trivik12]

Weird that most reviews used Zenbook duo laptop. hardly anyone would buy that. Need to see one with an efficient IPS screen. OLED screens in laptops are not that power efficient(though overall platform efficiency has ensured they have usable battery life). To compare with M5 MBP, you need comparable screen. I dont see that many mini led laptops on windows side except very expensive gaming laptops.

 

[Josh128]

They ain't, you're going to Zen6 on N2p and then to Zen7 on A14 straight up.

LNL already was allat.

Zen 6 on N3 for mobile, no?

 

[Joe NYC]

They ain't, you're going to Zen6 on N2p and then to Zen7 on A14 straight up.

AMD is going to be very strong in desktop, but mobile is a bigger market, and AMD is not taking it seriously enough.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Zen 6 on N3 for mobile, no?

N2p CCD where matters.

AMD is going to be very strong in desktop, but mobile is a bigger market, and AMD is not taking it seriously enough.

It's a commodity market full of poverty.
They're very much aiming at premium share.

 

[Covfefe]

*tucks on the hazmat suit*
They did the meme, I can't believe this.
22.4/41.4 = 54% perf retained on battery. The max performance you deserve.
View attachment 137344

To be clear, only web browsing slows down that much. That's how they're able to hit 30 hours in web browsing battery tests.

The next image in that review shows that Panther Lake loses practically no performance in Cinebench 2026 multi.

 

[adroc_thurston]

To be clear, only web browsing slows down that much. That's how they're able to hit 30 hours in web browsing battery tests.

The next image in that review shows that Panther Lake loses practically no performance in Cinebench 2026 multi.
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"Only the thing that matters to end user UX slows down" is a very funny way to put it.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

To be clear, only web browsing slows down that much. That's how they're able to hit 30 hours in web browsing battery tests.

The next image in that review shows that Panther Lake loses practically no performance in Cinebench 2026 multi.
View attachment 137364

Web browsing is the single most relevant use case.

 

[Covfefe]

"Only the thing that matters to end user UX slows down" is a very funny way to put it.

You don't think battery life matters to users? I think most people would happily take marginally worse page load times for massively better battery life.