Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[jdubs03]

Intel is about to go out of business because their fab has failed to execute time after time. If you were head of Intel do you still make important products to not yet production ready internal process without making back-up plan - dual source your products? I think that now every Intel product is dual sourced and tsmc version will be released on time if internal fab fails - which is more than likely.

Geez that’s a lot of gloom and doom. Sounds like the BoD meeting yielded some positive steps, and the Amazon deal helps a bit too. The $3.5 billion DoD Secure Enclave is providing funding to the fab side. They’re still awaiting the $8.5 billion tranche from the CHIPs act.
I think about to go out of business is a bit much.

 

[511]

Just wait till intel to announce🤪they just did changed the ARL u5 u3 from 20a to full n3b.

Such changes doens't happen overnight they outsourced cause they had design ready bet AMD will be trouble with CLW they won't have Node advantage and Chadmont is not weak

 

[naukkis]

Geez that’s a lot of gloom and doom. Sounds like the BoD meeting yielded some positive steps, and the Amazon deal helps a bit too. The $3.5 billion DoD Secure Enclave is providing funding to the fab side. They’re still awaiting the $8.5 billion tranche from the CHIPs act.
I think about to go out of business is a bit much.

Money ain't have been problem in past failures. Intel is out of server business if their fab fails again. They switch their client business to tsmc and server side can make same switch - but only if decision to start backup plan is made early enough. After their fab fails is way too late to change plans - Intel is crazy if they have bet everything on one card without backup plans as they have already have bought needed capacity from tsmc.

 

[511]

Money ain't have been problem in past failures. Intel is out of server business if their fab fails again. They switch their client business to tsmc and server side can make same switch - but only if decision to start backup plan is made early enough. After their fab fails is way too late to change plans - Intel is crazy if they have bet everything on one card without backup plans as they have already have bought needed capacity from tsmc.

Thier Fab failure means US will loose leading edge chip manufacturing which is a tall order imo anyway their fabs have been awesome pre 10nm they invented half the stuff TSMC copied hell TSMC N3 Uses a feature intel used in 22nm node lol they just need to get back on track and Design should have back-up in form of TSMC
The feature is SAC

 

[desrever]

We have reach a stage where official info is not official according to some people bruh you can't lie on such a large scale for Intel 18A They have been selling it to investor as their lead product stop spreading lies on things that are confirmed

They lied about 20A and ARL, why would anyone trust Intel.

 

[cannedlake240]

You lied about your density, you lied about them PDKs

 

[9949asd]

They lied about 20A and ARL, why would anyone trust Intel.

Can’t call it lied. Just change plans, and it’s changed to a correct direction.

 

[desrever]

Can’t call it lied. Just change plans, and it’s changed to a correct direction.

They kept saying everything was on track until the last minute, obviously they lied.

Who is to say anything out of Intel's slide wouldn't get changed at any time since they mean nothing?

 

[jdubs03]

They lied about 20A and ARL, why would anyone trust Intel.

I think it’s more more like a “trust but verify” situation. They can’t afford execution delays any longer, so one would hope they’re staying grounded.

The jury is still out on 18A.

 

[cannedlake240]

where official info is not official

No, you don't get it what Intel will just sell N3 wafers as 18A, theres no way they could launch a product, it's against the fundamental law \s

 

[mikk]

They kept saying everything was on track until the last minute, obviously they lied.

Who is to say anything out of Intel's slide wouldn't get changed at any time since they mean nothing?

No this is false, they simply ignored talking about 20A for months. It was on track maybe a year ago or something like that. It's not like they claimed on track shortly before they cancelled it you are implying.

 

[OneEng2]

No, you don't get it what Intel will just sell N3 wafers as 18A, theres no way they could launch a product, it's against the fundamental law \s

I don't know for a fact, but my guess is these advanced processor designs at Intel are betting on the transistor density and power efficiency of 18A in order to have a viable product offering.

I suspect that it is not possible for the design to exist on N3X..... so I agree with others ..... Intel has a whole lot riding on 18A.

 

[cebri1]

20A was a derisking node, the same as Intel 4. The only difference being that Intel 4 has to be used for HVM of MTL. If not it would have gone already too.

 

[Magio]

20A was by far the sanest cut to make for Intel. There were already almost no products slated to use it besides a few (likely low volume) ARL SKUs and it was certainly not slated to be offered to foundry customers. If they had infinite cash and infinite trust from investors then sure, go ahead with that to beta test GAAFETs and BSPD ahead of 18A HVM, but if you don't then reallocating those resources directly towards 18A is the only logical choice.

 

[The Hardcard]

They kept saying everything was on track until the last minute, obviously they lied.

Who is to say anything out of Intel's slide wouldn't get changed at any time since they mean nothing?

That doesn’t mean they lied. “Every Thing Was On Track Until I Realized I Didn’t Have The Money” would work as the title of my autobiography or the summary of the contents.

 

[Markfw]

That doesn’t mean they lied. “Every Thing Was On Track Until I Realized I Didn’t Have The Money” would work as the title of my autobiography or the summary of the contents.

Except one thing. When was the last time Intel told the truth ?

 

[9949asd]

Except one thing. When was the last time Intel told the truth ?

They actually do a good things to customers. Who wants to use their disadvanced node and experience 400w cpu🤣
No one want to pay for their fab, only want a good cpu.

 

[Markfw]

They actually do a good things to customers. Who wants to use their disadvanced node and experience 400w cpu🤣
No one want to pay for their fab, only want a good cpu.

When was the last time they did something good for customers ?

 

[cebri1]

They actually do a good things to customers. Who wants to use their disadvanced node and experience 400w cpu🤣
No one want to pay for their fab, only want a good cpu.

this forum really went down the drain.

 

[IEC]

Vendor threads are considered safe spaces for owners and admirers of that vendors products. Anti vendor posts, and posts that are pro competitor of the vendor are not allowed. Because it amounts to flame bait.

 

[Philste]

Looks like ARL will launch in 6 days anyway, the old Intel Innovation Slot.

 

[cebri1]

Looks like ARL will launch in 6 days anyway, the old Intel Innovation Slot.

This is probably about Xeon 6

 

[511]

This is probably about Xeon 6

I think they will launch both in September but will set review/availablity in October Xeon 6 6900P will be launching alongside ARL cost cutting 🤣

 

[511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1836267219032187387

 

[Philste]

This is probably about Xeon 6

Not sure...
Is "superior per core performance" something you would claim for a 128 core CPU? Sounds more like an Argument for Desktop CPUs to me.