Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[Philste]

Zenbook S14 Prices are too crazy. In Germany, 1699€ for 256V, 1999€ for 258V. No other configs available.

2K for 3rd best SKU in a 14 Inch with 1TB SSD is just wtf.

 

[igor_kavinski]

2K for 3rd best SKU in a 14 Inch with 1TB SSD is just wtf.

Don't worry. Good thing about Intel/AMD laptops is that they get discounted.

I know someone in Germany who found multiple deals with a Geforce 4070 that were cheaper than laptops with 4060.

 

[Philste]

Don't worry. Good thing about Intel/AMD laptops is that they get discounted.

Problem is that the keyboard of my current Laptop is starting to Fail, so I need it quite soon.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Problem is that the keyboard of my current Laptop is starting to Fail, so I need it quite soon.

Check out ASUS's online store and get something cheap like an Open Box laptop. Why waste too much money, unless your work is absolutely performance critical? Also, I think the keyboard can be repaired.

 

[cebri1]

R24 number from core ultra 9

Intel numbers… yawn. No independent benchmarks for 2 and half weeks.

 

[fastandfurious6]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831140640094347627

 

[igor_kavinski]

This 200 series is kinda reminding me of the Sandy Bridge model numbers.

Beginning of a new era for Intel. MTL was Nehalem and then BOOM! Sandy Bridge that is still serving me.

 

[cebri1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831140640094347627

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already posted

 

[gdansk]

MTL was Nehalem

Why are you insulting Nehalem like that

 

[fastandfurious6]

Nehalem was AWESOME

Arrow Lunar lakes are DOA...... but they will still sell because Intel Sales

sorry for repost didnt see last pages

 

[DavidC1]

Arrow Lunar lakes are DOA...... but they will still sell because Intel Sales

I could see that for Arrow, but for Lunar? Talk about being completely out of touch.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Why are you insulting Nehalem like that

Intel Core i7-2700K Benchmarks - Geekbench

Intel Core i7-975 Benchmarks - Geekbench

Sandy beating Nehalem with 35W less power. That's what I was alluding to.

 

[fastandfurious6]

I could see that for Arrow, but for Lunar? Talk about being completely out of touch.

hear me out..... it's DOA

 

[DavidC1]

hear me out..... it's DOA

Hear me out too... You are out of touch.

 

[511]

hear me out..... it's DOA

Your comment sounds like DOA 🤣

 

[fastandfurious6]

Hear me out too... You are out of touch.

I am AMD..... out of reach for intel fanboys 😎

 

[511]

I am AMD..... out of reach for intel fanboys 😎

Not out of reach of a mod on Intel thread

 

[SiliconFly]

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[fastandfurious6]

intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

You broke the first rule. Please read and follow all forum guidelines and rules. Including the CPU forum rules stickied at the top of this forum.

Mod DAPUNISHER

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

It was nice knowing you.

CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

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Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.


Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

In my own Zen 4 testing I have observed even ST score can be improved with higher performance memory. Its possible the on-package LPDDR5X 8533 is helping boost the score in cinebench 2024 specifically, disproportionate to the overall IPC improvement.

 

[SiliconFly]

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[igor_kavinski]

intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

You really have a ban wish or something?

Chill, dude.

 

[controlflow]

CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

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Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.


Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

I currently use an Apple M1, but I think I might actually buy an LNL laptop. Need to see 3rd party benchmarks but it looks like it could be the Apple M moment of the x86 world and that iGPU looks like it can actually put out real 1080p gaming performance with reasonable settings and at 15-20 watts.

I'm confident that idle or low usage battery life will be great but still need to see what moderate use power really looks like. One concern is that Windows is fairly terrible for battery life and just not as well sorted as Mac OS. Hopefully that doesn't ruin LNLs potential.

 

[Abwx]

CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.


Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

You re talking as if we were back in 2001 at the time of single core era, what about the MT scores.?.
So far at 30W the HX 370 should outperform LNL by 70%, sorry for the few.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

One concern is that Windows is fairly terrible for battery life and just not as well sorted as Mac OS. Hopefully that doesn't ruin LNLs potential.

I don't know if this is as big of a factor as it's made out to be - Look at the Snapdragon Windows laptops and their battery life. In addition, we even have an HX370 Windows laptop that achieved an insane 16+ hours of wifi websurfing (Vivobook 14, notebookcheck review).