Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[SiliconFly]

Less than 9 hours for MTL announcement! God knows what they're gonna reveal!

If it turns out to be a disappointment, Intel may never ever recover from that shock.

 

[inf64]

Less than 9 hours for MTL announcement! God knows what they're gonna reveal!

If it turns out to be a t, Intel may never ever recover from that shock.

Disappointment how exactly? What are you expecting MTL to do and why would it spell doom and gloom for intel?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Good exemple of bad faith, i said in other words that for CB only the MT score matters, but if you want to forge some falsehood about me that render you happy why not, when arguments are worthless only thing left is bs like your post....

If you are saying that when someone finally posts only a CB R23 leak about Zen5 where It will be 20% faster than 14900K(KS?) in ST, then you won't comment that Zen5 is great and instead will wait for MT score, because ST doesn't matter and what "matters" is nT, I simply don't believe that.

Less than 9 hours for MTL announcement! God knows what they're gonna reveal!

If it turns out to be a disappointment, Intel may never ever recover from that shock.

Why are you so extreme? And what would be even considered as a disappointment?
If the product is not that good, then just lower the price and It will sell.

 

[Timmah!]

Oh, there is some Meteor Lake reveal today? Did not know that. Will Arrow Lake be revealed as well?

 

[Abwx]

If you are saying that when someone finally posts only a CB R23 leak about Zen5 where It will be 20% faster than 14900K(KS?) in ST, then you won't comment that Zen5 is great and instead will wait for MT score, because ST doesn't matter and what "matters" is nT, I simply don't believe that.

Few time before Zen 1 was released i said that if even Intel had 10% advantage in ST it would be magnified as if it was 100%..

It is useless to align high ST score in softwares that are always used in MT by the definition, what matter is the latter as well as perf/Watt.

.

 

[Tup3x]

Really looking forward to what Meteor Lake has to offer. It's definitely going to be very important and interesting launch for Intel. Kinda like with Core Duo launch (and the next thing after is the real deal). Not saying that Arrow Lake is going to be new Core 2 but it's interesting to see how things are going to progress.

 

[Hulk]

Anyone know the all-core (nT) max non-o/c frequency for the following CPU's?
12900K
12900KS
13900K
13900KS
14900K

 

[Abwx]

Anyone know the all-core (nT) max non-o/c frequency for the following CPU's?
12900K
12900KS
13900K
13900KS
14900K

You can find the infos in Computerbase reviews of these CPU, for exemple :

Intel Core i9-13900KS mit 6,0 GHz im Test

Der Core i9-13900KS ist der erste Intel-Prozessor mit bis zu 6,0 GHz ab Werk. Die dritte Special Edition in Anwendungen und Spielen im Test.

www.computerbase.de

 

[Mopetar]

Is there any kind of event or livestream of it? I haven't been able to find anything other than Intel's own website: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html

I'll be at work so I like the live blogs that sites do since I can usually sneak a peek at those every 10 minutes or so.

 

[Geddagod]

Is there any kind of event or livestream of it? I haven't been able to find anything other than Intel's own website: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html

I'll be at work so I like the live blogs that sites do since I can usually sneak a peek at those every 10 minutes or so.

Pretty sure the livestream will be on the website you linked yourself.
Unfortunate abt work, my prof is sick so my class is online, meaning I get to watch the livestream with zoom in the background lol

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Few time before Zen 1 was released i said that if even Intel had 10% advantage in ST it would be magnified as if it was 100%..

It is useless to align high ST score in softwares that are always used in MT by the definition, what matter is the latter as well as perf/Watt.

.

I am the "average" guy.
Looking at the average score from all the tests done.

@Abwx
I meant TPU Performance summary. I use that site mostly.
That average includes ST and MT from Cinebench only.
On the other hand, you have 47 different scores, If I counted correctly, so including a single ST CB score won't really skewer the results.

 

[Abwx]

I am the "average" guy.
Looking at the average from all the tests done.

Like doing an average using CB MT and CB ST, very relevant, why not averaging 7 ZIP ST and 7 ZIP MT while we are at it, and doing so with all MT apps to get garbage averages at the end...

At the end that yield non significative numbers but for sure that it can help one brand or another producing advantageous comparisons...

Even Computerbse used to be misleading at a time since they once had only one average that included both ST and MT numbers of CB and other such apps.

 

[dullard]

Is there any kind of event or livestream of it? I haven't been able to find anything other than Intel's own website: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html

I'll be at work so I like the live blogs that sites do since I can usually sneak a peek at those every 10 minutes or so.

This might be the livestream (just guessing based on the title): https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...vation-day-1-livestream-replay.html#gs.5x1162

I really hope they don't overdo the "Siliconomy" crap term. Made up marketing works really bother me and for some reason this one is especially hitting a nerve.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Less than 9 hours for MTL announcement! God knows what they're gonna reveal!

Preparing for the reveal, make sure:

You are properly hydrated.

All windows are closed, to avoid disturbing neighbors with your screams of awe or disappointment.

Adult diapers are ON, for obvious reasons.

Plenty of tissues are handy for wiping tears of joy or utter sadness.

Sitting area is free of any obstructions or hurdles to give you ample space to jump with joy or prevent your foot from hitting anything solid when you get angry.

Incense is burning to create a serene atmosphere for you to enjoy the show.

Pets are put in cages, preferably in a different room, to prevent them from ruining the experience.

Your gf/wife/SO is gone shopping. If not, give her your credit card and make her go.

Make a list of the things you will be selling/auctioning off to afford the wonderful toys Intel or their partners will be showcasing.

Keep your phone within reach in case you need to call 911.

Pre-record a message on your phone to explain to 911 that you have lost your voice for whatever reason and they need to come to your address ASAP.

Prepare a will and e-mail it to your lawyer in case your heart gives up from the excitement or overwhelming despair.

 

[Geddagod]

This might be the livestream (just guessing based on the title): https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...vation-day-1-livestream-replay.html#gs.5x1162

I really hope they don't overdo the "Siliconomy" crap term. Made up marketing works really bother me and for some reason this one is especially hitting a nerve.

They just used the word siliconomy lol

 

[cebri1]

Some iGPU details:

 

[mikk]

Launch mid December is a big disappointment, means first laptops might not come before early 2024.

 

[coercitiv]

Some preliminary info about MTL is up on Anandtech:

Intel Unveils Meteor Lake Architecture: Intel 4 Heralds the Disaggregated Future of Mobile CPUs

www.anandtech.com

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Launch mid December is a big disappointment, means first laptops might not come before early 2024.

3 months later is the launch? WTF? Are they copying AMD or what?

 

[FangBLade]

Launch mid December is a big disappointment, means first laptops might not come before early 2024.

That's right, waiting for them is taking too long. I need to buy a new laptop urgently this year, and it looks like I'm getting the Phoenix version. It has an excellent and efficient processor, the most powerful integrated GPU on the market, and even an A.I. accelerator, everything I might need.

 

[cebri1]

That's right, waiting for them is taking too long. I need to buy a new laptop urgently this year, and it looks like I'm getting the Phoenix version. It has an excellent and efficient processor, the most powerful integrated GPU on the market, and even an A.I. accelerator, everything I might need.

Why people keep plugging AMD products in Intel threads? This post sounds like an ad.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh no, @A///'s not gonna get his MTL laptop this year, unless he camps right outside Microcenter's front door on launch day.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Some iGPU details:

View attachment 85952

Looks like they shrank the A380 into an iGPU.

 

[jpiniero]

Launch mid December is a big disappointment, means first laptops might not come before early 2024.

So basically it's the typical CES launch but they moved the launch date into 2024 to placate people.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Launch mid December is a big disappointment, means first laptops might not come before early 2024.

Oh, the behind the scenes drama that must have taken place to ensure launch just before year end. We'll never get to know the details of that part