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Tigerick

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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SiliconFly said:
Don’t worry. There is new heavy weight champ in the driving seat now. Did anyone watch Intel’s 2025 CES keynote? If not, pls don’t.

Holthaus is probably the most uninspiring person I’ve seen. With the kinda charisma, I feel she’ll take Intel places, where no company should ever go. Not much faith left in me anymore.
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She has GNR/SRF/LNL/MTL/ARL/PTL/18A/FAB34/FAB42&52&62，What Pat has ?
 
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SiliconFly said:
Oh god! Nothing belongs to her. She's specializes in finance, sales & marketing! She's Bob Swan 2.0

Also, like Swan, she's now a temp CEO & I think she'll be actual CEO soon (like Swan).

Intel board needs to be fired immediately.
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Hope she doesn't make a TSMC 2.0 deal cause this time she doesn't have excuses
 
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Read my lips.

5 nodes in 4 years.

Or was it 3 nodes in 7 years? Or almost 4 nodes in 5 years? Or 7 nodes in 3 years, including in-house testing. Or 4 nodes in 4 years if we include 20A. Oh forget-about-it, we're dying over here, give us a break!

With the new leadership we (Intel) have a new market position philosophy. We have decided that will will firmly remain in AMD's rearview mirror. This way they will get the speeding ticket or hit the deer, not us! So far so good. They seem to be quite far ahead but we can just make them out if we squint.
 
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511 said:
So MTL-H vs ARL-H is 15% ST and 15% MT perf at iso power I pressumeView attachment 114313
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Max Turbo P core: +300MHz(5.9%)
Max Turbo E core: +700MHz(18.4%)
Base P core: +600MHz(26%)
Base E core: +900MHz(50%)

Identical max and base TDP levels. The clock speed increase on the E cores are impressive, although it is less so compared to Raptorlake, because Meteorlake had a regression.

Base frequency increase being great doesn't really contribute to performance nowadays, but it's an indication the power profile has improved. Skymont's 50% gain over Crestmont is impressive, so the combined process + uarch has improved power efficiency greatly.

The overall clock has not regressed either so it'll do relatively much better too.
 
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dttprofessor said:
She has GNR/SRF/LNL/MTL/ARL/PTL/18A/FAB34/FAB42&52&62，What Pat has ?
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Please tell me you are joking? Do you think these products are made in 3 months? No, it takes 3+ years. The new processes are entirely up to Pat, and most of the products you listed is also thanks to him.
 
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Panther Lake live and running it is a big achievement if they already have designs and laptop running this soon means Q3 target
 
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As long as Intel mobile CPUs require a fan to operate, I stick with Apple M series MacBook Air! Qualcomm Arms based are not completely compatible with Microsoft based third party software. Intel has no way to get rid of the built-in fan since it still stuck at 7 nm.
 
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Harry_Wild said:
As long as Intel mobile CPUs require a fan to operate, I stick with Apple M series MacBook Air! Qualcomm Arms based are not completely compatible with Microsoft based third party software. Intel has no way to get rid of the built-in fan since it still stuck at 7 nm.
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Its not 2019
 
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SiliconFly said:
Intel co-CEO Michelle Johnston Holthaus just reiterated on X/Twitter what she said during the CES keynote, that Panther Lake is a follow up to Lunar Lake (not ARL-H).
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I'm sorry, but Anandtech has spoken. Holthaus is incorrect. There is absolutely no way that an ultra-low power 4+4 Panther Lake can be a successor to an ultra-low power 4+4 Lunar Lake. Memory is different thus they are not related at all, no follow up, Lunar Lake is a one off. See below for proof (And this is just from the first page of a search).

SiliconFly said:
Ian Cutress just posted this on X/Twitter. It says Lunar Lake is a one-off & no follow ups in the foreseeable future.
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cebri1 said:
LNL may be a one off according to some people.
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MarkizSchnitzel said:
Lunar Lake is a one-off
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poke01 said:
Panther Lake U won’t be like Lunar Lake sadly.
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DavidC1 said:
Lunarlake might be a one off thing just to fend off ARM.
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DavidC1 said:
Will Lunarlake be a one-hit wonder with no successor like many previous Intel products that was supposed to be great?

Are they so cautious that they can't dedicate a Lunarlake successor?
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SpudLobby said:
So lunar as it’s won deal is probably kind of a one-off
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It's a one-off and for a good reason.
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