Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[Henry swagger]

Leaked Excel Sheet from the file looks Interesting Cougar Cove and Panther Cove for Noval lake iirc Cougar is 5-10% IPC Increase while Panther is double digit over Cougar

Where are the numbers ?

 

[511]

Where are the numbers ?

Mild put them in one of his video 🤣

 

[cannedlake240]

Panther Cove for Noval lake iirc Cougar is 5-10%

This is mlid info

 

[eek2121]

AVX512 isn't useless for the standard user. Plenty of basic functions, such as parsing JSON (lots of websites), text processing, sorting, base64 encoding/decoding and similar, can substantially benefit (30-60% faster) when rewritten to use AVX512 operations. The problem is simply the lack of penetration in the CPU market due to Intel's confused approach to AVX12. This has meant there has been little benefit for the massive amount of legacy code and libraries to switch to using the instructions.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

AVX-512 can accelerate a ton of workloads, even the web browser. Hopefully someone will drop a build of Firefox that supports it.

I hope all you folks are doing well. I dropped by briefly to see what is new. I have some medical issues going on, so I haven’t been on the forum very much lately.

 

[cannedlake240]

SOUNDS REAL AWESOME

Could be the name of the new unified arch from Royal scraps, Core and Atom? Doubt Intel had yet another top secret uarch project..

 

[Thunder 57]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

AVX-512 can accelerate a ton of workloads, even the web browser. Hopefully someone will drop a build of Firefox that supports it.

I hope all you folks are doing well. I dropped by briefly to see what is new. I have some medical issues going on, so I haven’t been on the forum very much lately.

Hope you are getting better. You are an asset to this forum.

 

[511]

This is mlid info

Yes I said iirc I don't think anything else has been leaked For IPC for PTL besides MLID Figures

 

[SiliconFly]

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[SiliconFly]

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[511]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

AVX-512 can accelerate a ton of workloads, even the web browser. Hopefully someone will drop a build of Firefox that supports it.

I hope all you folks are doing well. I dropped by briefly to see what is new. I have some medical issues going on, so I haven’t been on the forum very much lately.

Get well soon

 

[9949asd]

ARL can turn off p core now, there is a 12 e core only cpuz score.

 

[AcrosTinus]

ARL can turn off p core now, there is a 12 e core only cpuz score.View attachment 107654

I don't think so, the CPU-Z bench has the option to only bench the E-Cores.

 

[LightningZ71]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

AVX-512 can accelerate a ton of workloads, even the web browser. Hopefully someone will drop a build of Firefox that supports it.

I hope all you folks are doing well. I dropped by briefly to see what is new. I have some medical issues going on, so I haven’t been on the forum very much lately.

get well soon!

 

[AcrosTinus]

Oh! For heaven's sake! It's not an official Intel spreadsheet people. It's says "Rumor/Leaked" on the top right corner. Probably an old MLID excel sheet.


Get well soon!

Media literacy at its best again.

 

[cebri1]

ARL can turn off p core now, there is a 12 e core only cpuz score.View attachment 107654

That’s nuts. We need a N processor with chadmont.

 

[DZero]

Alder Lake N was pretty much a nice concept but the single channel screwed them hard.

We need a 12 or even 16 Lake -N tier processor with a GTX 1050 GPU tier.

 

[511]

We need dual channel to feed the beast that is chadmont also from cpu z site wish CPU Z a Better bench

CPU-Z Benchmark for AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (24T) - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

Best CPU performance - 64-bit - September 2025

valid.x86.fr

 

[511]

Media literacy at its best again.

I am better than Tom's Hardware at least i edited my original Post 🤣

 

[511]

ARL can turn off p core now, there is a 12 e core only cpuz score.View attachment 107654

Anyway please tell me it's real we had too many fake CPU-Z leaks already
we already have LNC data from Intel giving 130 CB R24 at 5.1 ghz we can assume chadmont to similar as RPC i will take it a bit less so approx
Assuming all core boost of 5.4 GHZ P-> 8*130*1.05 = 1088
Skymont 4.6 all core and RPC level IPC we get 100 per core at 4.6 ghz => 1600
Total would be around 2688 any comments?

Cinebench 2024 Scores [CPU & GPU] (Updated Results)

The new Version of Cinebench, 2024, benchmarks CPUs and GPUs in the popular Redshift render engine. We benchmarked all modern CPUs and GPUs and list them in our score overview.

www.cgdirector.com

 

[9949asd]

I don't think so, the CPU-Z bench has the option to only bench the E-Cores.really? I have a long time didn’t run cpuz.

Really? I don’t know that, I have a long time didn’t run cpuz.

 

[9949asd]

Anyway please tell me it's real we had too many fake CPU-Z leaks already

I would say high chance it’s real.

 

[ikjadoon]

What is everyone's speculation why Intel uses older TSMC nodes for non-CPU tiles? Why not use Intel 4 or even Intel 3? Are both Intel nodes not fit for purpose here?

Meteor Lake
GPU tile - TSMC N5
SOC tile - TSMC N6
IOE tile - TSMC N6

Lunar Lake
Platform Controller Tile - TSMC N6

 

[AcrosTinus]

What is everyone's speculation why Intel uses older TSMC nodes for non-CPU tiles? Why not use Intel 4 or even Intel 3? Are both Intel nodes not fit for purpose here?

Meteor Lake
GPU tile - TSMC N5
SOC tile - TSMC N6
IOE tile - TSMC N6

Lunar Lake
Platform Controller Tile - TSMC N6

View attachment 107658

My guess is due to de-risking.
The decision to go with TSMC has been done years ago informed by the state of Intel 3 and 4 at that time.

 

[511]

N6 is just a cost savings measure for things that doesn't shrink well Xe GPU IP was mostly on on TSMC since the introduction of Arc also the priore CEO had contracts made pre-pat

 

[cannedlake240]

sounds very exciting

Apparently not a thing anymore, since rumor has It was a part of royal or something like that. Intel doesn't care about leading P cores anymore, or at least in the near future. Apple won that race. Intel bet everything on foundry and AI plays, which is part of why, according to most rumors(not just mlid), Royal was canned.