Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.





Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake



As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

 

[mikk]

Geekbench Compute but that's not that meaningful at this point. The entry reveals the maximum GPU clock speed for the 155H: 2250 Mhz. This is exactly a 50% increase over Raptor Lake and overall exactly a 2x increase in Tflops. That alone won't guarantee 2x in gaming real world since bandwidth isn't 2x higher, they have to gain something from the architecture and better driver stack as well. Xe LPG is software compatible with Xe HPG unlike the old Xe LP which is a big advantage for Xe LPG.

 

[Hulk]

Geekbench Compute but that's not that meaningful at this point. The entry reveals the maximum GPU clock speed for the 155H: 2250 Mhz. This is exactly a 50% increase over Raptor Lake and overall exactly a 2x increase in Tflops. That alone won't guarantee 2x in gaming real world since bandwidth isn't 2x higher, they have to gain something from the architecture and better driver stack as well. Xe LPG is software compatible with Xe HPG unlike the old Xe LP which is a big advantage for Xe LPG.

I wonder if the Meteor igpu is going to have the overlocking headroom that Raptor has? I'm running my 13600igpu at 2000Mhz. Yeah, I know it can't game but it's useful for me in gpu assisted apps like Topaz Photo AI and DXOmark's PureRaw.

I don't even know where my igpu would max out frequncy-wise. I just set it at 2Ghz and forgot about it.

So if Meteor's igpu is massively underclocked like Raptor then that would be nice.

 

[tamz_msc]

I wonder if the Meteor igpu is going to have the overlocking headroom that Raptor has? I'm running my 13600igpu at 2000Mhz. Yeah, I know it can't game but it's useful for me in gpu assisted apps like Topaz Photo AI and DXOmark's PureRaw.

I don't even know where my igpu would max out frequncy-wise. I just set it at 2Ghz and forgot about it.

So if Meteor's igpu is massively underclocked like Raptor then that would be nice.

You don't have instability issues clocking that high?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I wonder if the Meteor igpu is going to have the overlocking headroom that Raptor has? I'm running my 13600igpu at 2000Mhz. Yeah, I know it can't game but it's useful for me in gpu assisted apps like Topaz Photo AI and DXOmark's PureRaw.

I don't even know where my igpu would max out frequncy-wise. I just set it at 2Ghz and forgot about it.

So if Meteor's igpu is massively underclocked like Raptor then that would be nice.

@mikk pointed out 2250MHz for 155H.
TPU tested A770 and did OC, they managed 2.6GHz.
So basically this + what extra allows the better process.
So maybe 2.8-2.9GHz? That's ~25-29%.
Still pretty good, but let's not forget this is a mobile part limited by TDP and limited BW.

 

[SiliconFly]

There is no XMX in Meteor Lake GPU tile.

XMX was dropped intentionally in favor of NPU

 

[Tup3x]

XMX was dropped intentionally in favor of NPU

Yeah, it did doesn't really make sense to keep those since there's NPU. I do wonder if XeSS will use DP4a path then... Or if it would be possible to make it run on NPU.

 

[mikk]

XMX was dropped intentionally in favor of NPU

I don't think this is related. According to Bionic_Squash XMX units are coming back in Arrow Lake.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1715617358264635579

 

[Hulk]

You don't have instability issues clocking that high?

No. I saw a video by Der8aeur like a year ago where he overclocked a 13900k igpu to I think 2200Mhz and was remarking about how underclocked these igpus are so I gave it a try. Been running at 2Ghz ever since.

 

[tamz_msc]

No. I saw a video by Der8aeur like a year ago where he overclocked a 13900k igpu to I think 2200Mhz and was remarking about how underclocked these igpus are so I gave it a try. Been running at 2Ghz ever since.

How much power does it consume running GPU-Z's PCI-e stress test?

 

[Hulk]

How much power does it consume running GPU-Z's PCI-e stress test?

What is the PCI-e stress test? It's not in GPU-Z, right? Does it run portable? I prefer not to install benches.

 

[tamz_msc]

What is the PCI-e stress test? It's not in GPU-Z, right? Does it run portable? I prefer not to install benches.

Just click on the "?" beside the PCI-e link speed infobox. Just curious to know what the clocks are and power consumption. I cannot reliably say whether HWinfo reports the correct clocks, but power consumption while running the test was 0.15 watts on my 11370H. Of course, your Raptor Lake processor has a smaller iGPU.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Just click on the "?" beside the PCI-e link speed infobox.

No need for HWinfo. Power reported right there in the Sensors section. That's my work PC's i7-4770 iGPU. That power is the highest I saw. It was mostly 13-14W.

Thanks! Learned something new and cool.

 

[Hulk]

Just click on the "?" beside the PCI-e link speed infobox. Just curious to know what the clocks are and power consumption. I cannot reliably say whether HWinfo reports the correct clocks, but power consumption while running the test was 0.15 watts on my 11370H. Of course, your Raptor Lake processor has a smaller iGPU.

 

[igor_kavinski]

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Can you switch the GPU-Z tab to the Sensors one, please?

 

[Hulk]

 

[igor_kavinski]

power consumption while running the test was 0.15 watts on my 11370H.

Now your turn with the GPU-Z Sensors tab

 

[Hulk]

I let it run for about 10 minutes. Temp remained at 48C @2Ghz fully loaded. These Raptor iGPU's are severely underclocked from the factory.

 

[Hulk]

I let it run for about 10 minutes. Temp remained at 48C @2Ghz fully loaded. These Raptor iGPU's are severely underclocked from the factory.

Or I got a good sample, which didn't happen because it never does and the universe would have exploded. Therefore the fact that I am typing means my 13600K is an average bin.

 

[tamz_msc]

Eh, 11 watts? Were you doing something else with the iGPU?

 

[Hulk]

Eh, 11 watts? Were you doing something else with the iGPU?

No just running that bench? Is that too high? Too low?

 

[mikk]

1.095V for 2000 Mhz is a horribly high voltage. My A380 runs at 0.985V for 2450 Mhz and MTL tGPU requires 0.7xV for 2000 Mhz. No wonder Xe LP didn't run high clocked.

 

[tamz_msc]

No just running that bench? Is that too high? Too low?

Yup, it's burning power unnecessarily. HWinfo does not correctly report clock speeds of Intel iGPUs at idle starting at some point with WDDM 3.0 drivers.

My Iris Xe on the 11370H pulls 0.15 watts during this test.

Yours is pulling two orders of magnitude higher.

 

[Hulk]

1.095V for 2000 Mhz is a horribly high voltage. My A380 runs at 0.985V for 2450 Mhz and MTL tGPU requires 0.7xV for 2000 Mhz. No wonder Xe LP didn't run high clocked.

Luckily I have been blissfully unaware of that horribly high voltage and commensurately global warming inducing 11 Watts for the past year as I have been getting work done with that igpu.

But seriously I have no idea. GPU is all set to auto in the BIOS. I'm more concerned with CPU settings.

I know that PureRaw and Topaz AI hit the gpu pretty hard. Vegas Pro seems to utilize it quite a bit as well.

 

[tamz_msc]

Maybe it's time I got rid of my old pirated copy of Lightroom and get to testing Lightroom and Photoshop with an Adobe CC license.

 

[Hulk]

Yup, it's burning power unnecessarily. HWinfo does not correctly report clock speeds of Intel iGPUs at idle starting at some point with WDDM 3.0 drivers.

My Iris Xe on the 11370H pulls 0.15 watts during this test.

Yours is pulling two orders of magnitude higher.

Well it's only 11W so I can live with that. Especially since I might be pulling that load for 30 minutes (or less) a day on average. Or about 4kwhr/year, which is less than $1 a year including delivery charge and taxes for the electricity to run this igpu.