Intel i7-9700 (non-K). Anyone have one?

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https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-9th-gen-core-i7-9700/p/N82E16819118024

So I noticed that Newegg had the i7-9700 in their latest email flyer on sale for $309. I honestly was unaware Intel even released this CPU, so I was curious to see how it stood up to the 9700k (which is $100 more expensive). The prior generation i7-8700 (when used with a real heatsink) performed very similar to the 8700k, so I figured this would be similar and if so, it would be a great value chip (at least for Intel at this point).

However, I can't seem to find one single review on it. No YouTube videos, and it doesn't even appear on the https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/ website. Anandtech had a product announcement on it back in January, but it was never even updated after the CPU launched: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1382...00-pentium-gold-g5420-and-a-new-core-i38100f-

Does anyone here own the i7-9700 and could chime in on it?
 

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The 9700 is brand new. It was officially announced on April 23rd, according to WikiChip. It's R0 stepping only.
 
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Well 9700 and 8700 are both Coffee Lake-processors so maybe one can extrapolate from that? With 8700-series the non-K managed to stay close to K-variant in games. In productivity task K-variant pulled huge lead when overclocking was applied.

That Newegg-link offered my $329 for Core i7 9700..which is exactly same as Ryzen 7 3700X's mrsp. Not really tempting since they say that in games Ryzen 3700X should be slightly faster than 9700X and in productivity task it should murder that Intel processor.
 

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Well 9700 and 8700 are both Coffee Lake-processors so maybe one can extrapolate from that? With 8700-series the non-K managed to stay close to K-variant in games. In productivity task K-variant pulled huge lead when overclocking was applied
I agree as I mentioned reading reviews on the 8700 vs. 8700k.
That Newegg-link offered my $329 for Core i7 9700..which is exactly same as Ryzen 7 3700X's mrsp. Not really tempting since they say that in games Ryzen 3700X should be slightly faster than 9700X and in productivity task it should murder that Intel processor.
Yeah, I'm interested in how the performance of the 9700 stacks up against the much more expensive 9700k, and not about how Ryzen 2 will compare. There's already many existing threads on Ryzen 2. I'm not buying an i7-9700, I'm just curious how it stacks up while being roughly 25% less expensive than the "K' variety.

The 9700 is brand new. It was officially announced on April 23rd, according to WikiChip. It's R0 stepping only.
That's still been a little bit then, and I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be at least one person out there who hasn't made a "Unboxing" video on YouTube yet. :p
 

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That's still been a little bit then, and I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be at least one person out there who hasn't made a "Unboxing" video on YouTube yet. :p
April is when it was announced, when it actually became available for sale at a retailer like Newegg is another. Can't tell but it looks like only a couple of days.

Edit: The ACT of the 8700 is 4.3, so I bet the 9700 is at least that even with the extra 2 cores. The 9700K is 4.6 ACT. Of course you would need a board which allows for TB 2.0 indefinitely.
 
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April is when it was announced, when it actually became available for sale at a retailer like Newegg is another. Can't tell but it looks like only a couple of days.
That could be why I never came across it before.

If the performance is there compared against the K version, it could be a great value chip for people who will only use Intel CPUs.

Hopefully one of the hardware sites will review it sometime in the future then.
 
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IIRC, if it throttles like the 8700 with the stock cooler, then the K chip will probably have a decent lead over it.

And the 9700 has two more cores at the same TDP, making that throttling more likely, I would think.

You'd probably have to replace the 9700's stock cooler.
 

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I wonder. The i9 9900k has more cache per core than the i7 9700k, and I suspect was better binned. Does that mean the i7 9700 performs less well than the i9 9900?
 
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I wonder. The i9 9900k has more cache per core than the i7 9700k, and I suspect was better binned. Does that mean the i7 9700 performs less well than the i9 9900?
9900 has HT and higher base and turbo clocks, so I would expect it to be noticeably faster than the 9700.

Throttling between them with their stock coolers would be an interesting study.
 

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9900 has HT and higher base and turbo clocks, so I would expect it to be noticeably faster than the 9700.

Throttling between them with their stock coolers would be an interesting study.
I know when Tom's reviewed the i7-8700, they found the included heatsink really affected the CPU's performance, so they had to replace it to see what the chip could do with proper cooling. If I had to guess, I would imagine the i7-9700 would be in the same boat.

Intel really needs to put a few more dollars into their bundled coolers, as they really are garbage IMO. I had one installed on my son's Kaby Lake i5, and I was completely unimpressed with how it performed (constant spinning up and down because they are all aluminum now).
 

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I found it interesting there is even a 9900 non k. About time and at $399 it will be interesting to see where this lands compared to the 3900x. Assuming the 9900 still delivers more fps over the 3900x perhaps it could compete?

More interestingly will be how it holds up over the next few years over a 9900 non k. For anything outside of pure gaming i guess you would be crazy to get anything from Intel at this particular point and time. Even then perhaps the 3000 series will make any Intel cpu just meh? Can't wait to see how this pans out.
 

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I found it interesting there is even a 9900 non k. About time and at $399 it will be interesting to see where this lands compared to the 3900x. Assuming the 9900 still delivers more fps over the 3900x perhaps it could compete?

More interestingly will be how it holds up over the next few years over a 9900 non k. For anything outside of pure gaming i guess you would be crazy to get anything from Intel at this particular point and time. Even then perhaps the 3000 series will make any Intel cpu just meh? Can't wait to see how this pans out.
I don't think that's a safe assumption, especially as the 9900 non-K is unlikely to hit anywhere near the same turbo clocks as the 9900K on extended moderate to heavy loads.
 

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I don't think that's a safe assumption, especially as the 9900 non-K is unlikely to hit anywhere near the same turbo clocks as the 9900K on extended moderate to heavy loads.
I know there's more cores to handle now, but the i7-8700 really hung in there with the i7-8700k (after they replaced the crap cooler it came with).

I'm really curious if they were able to do roughly the same with the new i7-9700 or i9-9900?

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-8700-cpu-review,5638-2.html

 

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I expect that the i9 9900 is not binned as well as the i9 9900k. Q - is the i9 9900 binned as well as the i7 9700k?
 

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I know there's more cores to handle now, but the i7-8700 really hung in there with the i7-8700k (after they replaced the crap cooler it came with).

I'm really curious if they were able to do roughly the same with the new i7-9700 or i9-9900?
I got a Hyper 212 with single fan on my 8700 non k and it hits upper 70s in stress testing and comes closer to 60 in gaming and i sit at 4.3ghz all loaded. Prob could get away with the 212 on the 9900 non k if your not pushing all the cores but its got to be near the edge of its limits. I haven't kept on the 9900k to much but where does that thing load on lets say 7-8 threads? I see some reviews always showing the 9900k in some cases ahead a decent bit over a 8700k and something tells me its not cause of the core count. Prob way higher bins and prob very high if a game barely registers 4-6 threads right?
 

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I got a Hyper 212 with single fan on my 8700 non k and it hits upper 70s in stress testing and comes closer to 60 in gaming and i sit at 4.3ghz all loaded. Prob could get away with the 212 on the 9900 non k if your not pushing all the cores but its got to be near the edge of its limits. I haven't kept on the 9900k to much but where does that thing load on lets say 7-8 threads? I see some reviews always showing the 9900k in some cases ahead a decent bit over a 8700k and something tells me its not cause of the core count. Prob way higher bins and prob very high if a game barely registers 4-6 threads right?
It's not too bad if not overclocked, and not running synthetic benchmark utilities.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900k-9th-gen-cpu,5847-11.html

I really hope a site reviews these new non-K CPUs, and what Intel will do with their pricing if Ryzen2 turns out to be as good as the rumors are. I think a 9900 non-K could be a really good buy (for those who stay with Intel) if they dropped the price a little bit (and if it turned out to hang with its big brother).
 

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I got a Hyper 212 with single fan on my 8700 non k and it hits upper 70s in stress testing and comes closer to 60 in gaming and i sit at 4.3ghz all loaded. Prob could get away with the 212 on the 9900 non k if your not pushing all the cores but its got to be near the edge of its limits. I haven't kept on the 9900k to much but where does that thing load on lets say 7-8 threads? I see some reviews always showing the 9900k in some cases ahead a decent bit over a 8700k and something tells me its not cause of the core count. Prob way higher bins and prob very high if a game barely registers 4-6 threads right?
I used to stress-test heatsinks with an i7 8700k and LinX 0.6.5, which is a front end for using Linpack with AVX2. There is no way a 4-heatpipe heatsink like the 212 could cool that system at 5GHz. I know because I had to run 4-heatpipe heatsinks at substantially lower OC's. Heatsinks like the NH-D14, the NH-D15, the Megahalems, the Genesis, the Heligon all were 6-heatpipe heatsinks and they barely kept the system from spiking to 100c (the spikes were in the 90's) at 5GHz (review here).

However, by not OC'ing your i7 8700 and running it at 4.3GHz, your 212 should be fine. We simply don't know if the 212 will hold an i7 9700 until someone reports actual usage.
 

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I used to stress-test heatsinks with an i7 8700k and LinX 0.6.5, which is a front end for using Linpack with AVX2. There is no way a 4-heatpipe heatsink like the 212 could cool that system at 5GHz. I know because I had to run 4-heatpipe heatsinks at substantially lower OC's. Heatsinks like the NH-D14, the NH-D15, the Megahalems, the Genesis, the Heligon all were 6-heatpipe heatsinks and they barely kept the system from spiking to 100c (the spikes were in the 90's) at 5GHz (review here).

However, by not OC'ing your i7 8700 and running it at 4.3GHz, your 212 should be fine. We simply don't know if the 212 will hold an i7 9700 until someone reports actual usage.
I wouldn't dream of suggesting the 212 for anything outside of stock operation and only as a option for a 8400/8700 non k. Actually the stock cooler was fine on the 8400 i had previously before it and if anything i had very similar load temps on it during stress testing and higher temps during games given it had less threads but nothing that would take it out of spec with load temps under 80cel on that as well.

My 212 is only in the single fan config pushing 91cfm and given i have pointed household cooling fans of various high rpm into my case and still get similar temps pretty much shows its all about the physically heatsink at this point limiting cooling. I only load higher temps once i put my fan into a lower rpm stage. My 91cfm fan actually has cooled as equally well as the old 69cfm Noctua i had in prior to it. I would prob need a NH-D15 if i want cool and quiet operation of these chips but being a headphone gamer i could prob run anything outside of a reference 290/290x before noise becomes a issue.

If i was serious about a 9900 non k purchase i wouldn't honestly pair it with anything less then a NH-D15. I had some experience shortly with a 3930k setup some years ago and yeah i immediately picked the H-D14 to cool it and coming off a i7 940 which had a slightly smaller heatsink it seemed like a no brainer. Had it housed in a DF-85 with all case fans on full rpm too. Kind of miss those days of just not caring about noise but just wanting pure performance at any cost. Just seems weird kind of that for a non overclockable chip anyone would consider a NH-D15 but then again its quite the beast isn't it? This chip has to be sitting in oem towers eventually right? Maybe the lower tdp will results in somewhat usable oem situations? You need quite the case to fit the NH-D15.
 
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IIRC, if it throttles like the 8700 with the stock cooler, then the K chip will probably have a decent lead over it.

And the 9700 has two more cores at the same TDP, making that throttling more likely, I would think.

You'd probably have to replace the 9700's stock cooler.
Yeah, but considering the $100 price cut vs. the 9700K, you've got extra money to afford a good cooler. I'm sure with a nice $50-$60 cooler like the True Spirit 140, NH-U12S, or Scythe Mugen 5 it wouldn't throttle.
 

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Yeah, but considering the $100 price cut vs. the 9700K, you've got extra money to afford a good cooler. I'm sure with a nice $50-$60 cooler like the True Spirit 140, NH-U12S, or Scythe Mugen 5 it wouldn't throttle.
I would hope that if you bought the 9700k that you already considered a cooler. At the end of the day either chip including the slightly cheaper 8700 non k is going to require some sort of aftermarket cooler. At this point where does the $329 9700 non k even fit in performance wise compared to the $305 8700 non k? I am using current Newegg prices in the NA market.

The original 9700k had a considerable price bump over a 8700k but right now with the non k series chips you pay $24 less for more threads but less physical cores overall. Makes for a very interesting comparison right?
 

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I wouldn't dream of suggesting the 212 for anything outside of stock operation and only as a option for a 8400/8700 non k. Actually the stock cooler was fine on the 8400 i had previously before it and if anything i had very similar load temps on it during stress testing and higher temps during games given it had less threads but nothing that would take it out of spec with load temps under 80cel on that as well.

My 212 is only in the single fan config pushing 91cfm and given i have pointed household cooling fans of various high rpm into my case and still get similar temps pretty much shows its all about the physically heatsink at this point limiting cooling. I only load higher temps once i put my fan into a lower rpm stage. My 91cfm fan actually has cooled as equally well as the old 69cfm Noctua i had in prior to it. I would prob need a NH-D15 if i want cool and quiet operation of these chips but being a headphone gamer i could prob run anything outside of a reference 290/290x before noise becomes a issue.

If i was serious about a 9900 non k purchase i wouldn't honestly pair it with anything less then a NH-D15. I had some experience shortly with a 3930k setup some years ago and yeah i immediately picked the H-D14 to cool it and coming off a i7 940 which had a slightly smaller heatsink it seemed like a no brainer. Had it housed in a DF-85 with all case fans on full rpm too. Kind of miss those days of just not caring about noise but just wanting pure performance at any cost. Just seems weird kind of that for a non overclockable chip anyone would consider a NH-D15 but then again its quite the beast isn't it? This chip has to be sitting in oem towers eventually right? Maybe the lower tdp will results in somewhat usable oem situations? You need quite the case to fit the NH-D15.
Actually, the NH-D15 will fit in any case that has a 120mm exhaust fan. But I have found that cutting out the rear "grill" (usually just the rear wall with holes in it) and going without an exhaust fan will let a case's inside air flow out silently, thus leading to a quieter cooling solution.
 

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My system has paired the NH-D15S with the 9900K and it runs, even o/c'd, below 90 C at all times. I do not o/c generally but testing it today to contribute to the knowledge regarding this cooler brand, I used the following technique. I enabled MCE and combined it with stressing the cpu using CPU-Z " stress cpu" function.

The settings prompt all cores to run @ 100% utilization and all clocks at 5015 MHz.The power usage jumped to 171 w, V Core to 1.350 v, cpu fan to 1412 rpm, and cpu temp to 87C. I have an airy case , Thermaltake Core V71.
I suppose heavyier usage than cpz-z would require the next up NH unit, the D15.
 

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Actually, the NH-D15 will fit in any case that has a 120mm exhaust fan. But I have found that cutting out the rear "grill" (usually just the rear wall with holes in it) and going without an exhaust fan will let a case's inside air flow out silently, thus leading to a quieter cooling solution.
Maybe even run without a io shield as well? Maybe not a recommended idea but i like where your going with your idea. My main desktop i can deal with some noise if i can't hear it through my headphones. If i manage to hear the noise then it becomes a problem. I usually run a household fan hitting me and my tower on the low option and it makes easily twice as much noise as my desktop and i can't really even hear that with my headphones. I can deal with what i may hear sometimes given i welcome the airflow my way and computers way. The fan only sits directly on top of a fan based vent for the air conditioning.

Are oem towers coming with 120mm fans exhaust fans now? I seen some of the gamer towers that do but like your run of the mill Dell? I got a friends i5 2500 /1050ti gaming rig in a old 2008 era Emachines case with a Antec 80mm exhaust and temps are very solid and the pc is very quiet . Ambient noise easily overlaps that pcs noise. It is a very nice sleeper pc with its Celeron sticker on the front too! I got a Corsair 400 c collecting dust which i may put her hardware into. I mentioned the upgrade and she kind of shrugged it off so idk what to say or do. Could maybe go crazy and make the ultimate sleeper out of that Emachines case. I couldn't get my Meshify c as quiet as that dang Emachines if i tried LOL. Outside of unplugging every last fan but rear perhaps and going back to the Noctua i had used before?

Yeah i usually overlook oem towers so i honestly haven't had a peak at the rear of a basic or lower end non gaming rig in some time. Everyone i know with a pc had their pc built by me. Most just get hand me down parts at a steal or free. :)
 

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My system has paired the NH-D15S with the 9900K and it runs, even o/c'd, below 90 C at all times. .
Any numbers you can give for stock please? I have heard mixed numbers and claims of how a 9900k or this case perhaps even the 9900 non k could possibly require water or a top of the line air cooler at the very least.
 

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You are dealing with claims of what ? I'm not sure what the point of the question is ? NH-D15S is a top of the line cooler .
 


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