Intel have been secretly building Sandy Bridge CPUs as high as June 2015 manufactured date...

[XavierMace]

Seriously, what planet do you live on?

 

[Valantar]

Seriously, what planet do you live on?

A planet where he has never resold a system comprising of old, yet frequently sells old parts, and where motherboards, if kept for long enough and not used, are a good investment.

In some ways, I'd like to live on that planet.

 

[bigboxes]

A planet where he has never resold a system comprising of old, yet frequently sells old parts, and where motherboards, if kept for long enough and not used, are a good investment.

In some ways, I'd like to live on that planet.

I've got a whole set of shelves with BILLIONS evidently. My wife will be happy that my hoarding old obsolete parts is finally paying off! IT'S GOLD, JERRY!

 

[waltchan]

Seriously, what planet do you live on?

The world I would rather live in is by starting everything from scratch with $10 CPUs only, and I wish I never enter the PC business yet in 2013. I've been overbuying more CPUs than average usage, and the Intel processors do nothing but depreciate and depreciate. They end up being metal-scrap soon. I'm sick of that. No support also. I despise Intel big time.... No comments to make on AMD at this time, they have an acceptable rate by me for depreciation.

 

[LTC8K6]

I despise Intel big time....

As long as you keep buying and promoting their CPUs and chipsets...

 

[SPBHM]

the one thing I wouldn't care about manufacture date is a locked CPU
other computer parts are more prone to fail after x years, or overclockable CPUs could go further on later parts, but this...

 

[MrTeal]

That's absolutely not true at all. Don't make me provide eBay proof if I decide to resell it for $169.99 shipped, and it will still sell. $84 means $79.99 plus tax, and this is the same price selling with new ASRock B250M-Pro4-M board. I'm not losing at all.

I also notice LGA-1151 boards have been more expensive to buy at launch during 2016 than LGA-1150 back in 2013 when we're still digesting from 2008 recession. TigerDirect (now defunct) used to give some FREE LGA1150 boards with CPU purchase after rebate.

That makes even less sense. If you can sell that board for that price now, why on Earth would you wait for an i3-3245 to come down to $10? You could just sell it and buy that B250M Pro4 along with the G4560 now, and have cash in your pocket and a system you can use today.

 

[bigboxes]

That makes even less sense. If you can sell that board for that price now, why on Earth would you wait for an i3-3245 to come down to $10? You could just sell it and buy that B250M Pro4 along with the G4560 now, and have cash in your pocket and a system you can use today.

What are you, a Communist? It's called a free market. Ever heard of that? If he wants to buy high and sell low that is his business. He's what we call in them here parts a chip rustler. He rounds up all the little straglers that nobody else wanted. The aged. The infermed. The crippled. And he gives them a hope, hoping one day to find them a forever home. Thank you, chip rustler.

 

[waltchan]

You could just sell it and buy that B250M Pro4 along with the G4560 now, and have cash in your pocket and a system you can use today.

What are you talking about? I lose a lot more cash in my pocket for paying new prices of processor each time, and then I have to eat up on 80% of depreciation costs after 3 years. Market tells me Intel processors worth less than AMD in long-run. That's the trend I'm seeing repeatedly with Intel. No thank you. Only Sandy-Ivy Bridge for now... Then I will gradually move up to Skylake-Kaby Lake when they're $10-$20 after 2021, and still plenty powerful, remember. Plus AMD's new Ryzen gets thumbs up by me for now if I can't wait.

Regardless, a $125 i3-3245 combo (or $105 i3-2120) is far less-expensive than a $250 i3-7320 combo, by fair-comparison. It's unfair you compare this with Pentium that's only dual-core with no hyperthreading, and then find a lame excuse that my post isn't valid. You know I said everything right here. I live and accept depreciation daily, but Intel's depreciation rate along with their poor support is way beyond unacceptable.

 

[MrTeal]

What are you talking about? I lose a lot more cash in my pocket for paying new prices of processor each time, and then I have to eat up on 80% of depreciation costs after 3 years. Market tells me Intel processors worth less than AMD in long-run. That's the trend I'm seeing repeatedly with Intel. No thank you. Only Sandy-Ivy Bridge for now... Then I will gradually move up to Skylake-Kaby Lake when they're $10-$20 after 2021, and still plenty powerful, remember. Plus AMD's new Ryzen gets thumbs up by me for now if I can't wait.

Regardless, a $125 i3-3245 combo (or $105 i3-2120) is far less-expensive than a $250 i3-7320 combo, by fair-comparison. It's unfair you compare this with Pentium that's only dual-core with no hyperthreading, and then find a lame excuse that my post isn't valid. You know I said everything right here. I live and accept depreciation daily, but Intel's depreciation rate along with their poor support is way beyond unacceptable.

The Kaby Lake Pentiums do have hyper threading, the same amount of L3, and a higher frequency than the Ivy Bridge CPU. There's also a several generation newer uArch and a better IGP with modern codec support. That's on top of the much newer motherboard platform you'd get with the B250 vs B75 motherboard.

Sure the Pentium and B250M motherboard combo will depreciate while the Ivy i3 will not, but that NIB motherboard will also tank in value from your estimate of ~$160 as soon as you install a CPU in it. If you honestly could sell it for $169 shipped (which is questionable) but are instead considering pairing it with a $10 i3, you are essentially giving that MB/CPU combo a value of ~$170 depending on what it costs you to ship it. Compare that to the G4560 and B250M Pro4 which is objectively better in every way and could be yours for $140.

Your options essentially are:
1. Keep the B75, buy a $10 i3, have a Ivy Bridge system
2. Sell the B75 for $169 shipped, pocket cash
3. Sell the B75 for $169 shipped, buy a G4560, B250M Pro4, and case of beer.

Options 2 and 3 are both viable. Option 1 is objectively worse than option 3 in every way.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This has to be one of the most insane troll subjects ever. To think, I actually bought ten of the A55M / FM1 dual-core combos, with heatsinks. Granted, they were cheap, and they do run Windows 10 fine. Guess I should find some cheap licenses so I can sell them. I built a few and donated them thus far. Gave one to a friend's GF. (Well, had said friend build PC for his GF, out of parts that I had purchased. It was kinda fun. Friend didn't care to remember how to build a PC though.)

 

[waltchan]

The Kaby Lake Pentiums do have hyper threading, the same amount of L3, and a higher frequency than the Ivy Bridge CPU.

Really? That's wonderful to hear. So, there must be a big price division with Skylake and Kaby Lake Pentiums now. Great... Intel does nothing but to make my shopping more confusing and upsetting. I don't keep up with Intel news today as I used to since I don't respect them as a company anymore.

The last NIB Pentium processor I bought was a Haswell G3470 sold for $35 at Fry's Electronics. Since then, the new ones have gone up in price now, and I don't think I'll be a returning Intel customer at anytime soon, only pre-owned.

So, what's the difference between a 4-thread Pentium vs. 4-thread i3 now? More $100+ for me to avoid?

 

[.vodka]

Why do you think we've been telling you about the G4560 for the last five pages of this thread or so?

Read about the G4560, G4600 and i3 6100/7100 here, these HT enabled Pentiums have changed the landscape for good. Intel's lineup makes sense on these HT enabled Pentiums and the 7700k for the time being. The rest has been made irrelevant by Ryzen especially with the R5 1600 offering 6 cores and 12 threads vs the i5's meager 4 cores and 4 threads at the same price bracket, and the i3/Pentiums going against 4 real cores and 8 threads with the R5 1400 or so... they're not worth it. This will change when Intel releases their six core CPU for the mainstream socket, Coffeelake and the entire lineup shifts up in cores and threads. The new HT Pentiums are the start of that shift. We'll see what happens by then with the rest.

G4560: Kabylake, 3.5GHz, 2C4T, 3MB L3, give up AVX/2 support and get the low end integrated graphics. $60-70. Full virtualization support (VT-x and VT-d), all the goodies. It's sometimes as fast as a stock i5 2500k in some tasks, it's really good for the price.
G4600: same, a litte faster and but you get the full IGP, the HD630. $70-80 IIRC? not much more if you're never gonna use a dGPU.

Kabylake's IGP is DX12 capable, and much faster than whatever was in Sandy, Ivy and Haswell.

the i3s get AVX/2 support... and that's it, for twice the price. Not worth it. Especially not with Ryzen at these price points. Yeah, you don't get a iGPU with these... but then the Zen APUs are coming later, and that will change the landscape again.

You can pair the G4560 right now with a decent mid range GPU and get a GREAT experience for little money. You can't really do the same with these old Sandy/Ivy class i3s and Pentiums. But yeah, stop buying old crap, the G4560 + cheap Skylake/Kabylake motherboard has made all legacy hardware irrelevant, especially for the price. The performance this combo brings just compells you to pay the extra money towards it from a cheap $5-10 old CPU + expensive motherboard. Google around for reviews on that chip, you'll probably be impressed.

Hell, I replaced an old E8400+G31+dGPU combo at my parents' with a G4560+B250 rig, it's a night and day difference. Hell, this little thing sometimes feels faster than my 4.5GHz 2500k...

 

[VirtualLarry]

So, what's the difference between a 4-thread Pentium vs. 4-thread i3 now? More $100+ for me to avoid?

Not a heck of a lot anymore. Both the Kaby Lake Pentiums, as well as the i3 CPUs, are dual-cores with HyperThreading. Pentiums still don't have AVX/AVX2, and have slower clockspeeds (by a hair).

Yeah, now you can buy a virtually i3-equivalent CPU, for $60 or so, maybe a little better with a coupon or sale. It's quite a deal these days. That is, if you can stomach buying a NIB CPU. That's even cheaper than a G3258 CPU, and still mostly faster, especially if you were planning on overclocking the G3258 on a limited H81 board.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Hell, I replaced an old E8400+G31 combo at my parent's with a G4560+B250 rig, it's night and day. Hell, this little thing sometimes feels faster than my 4.5GHz 2500k...

I'm running on one right now. They are indeed fantastic little CPUs. Not noticeably different than my overclocked i5-6400 @ 4.26Ghz, for everyday desktop tasks. (Both rigs have identical RX 470 XFX video cards.)

 

[.vodka]

Yeah, and the power consumption is insane for the performance. You could even run that thing passive if you wanted to, with a beefy enough heatsink. Idle power is also excellent. The whole power profile of the chip is notebook/mobile like. Those B250/B150/H110 boards (basically, non Z boards) also sip power, the chipsets are built on modern processes vs old generations' ones, etc.

I'm using the stock heatsink that came with my 2500k (copper core) on the G4560 and the fan almost never spins faster than 1000-1200RPM or so... silent.

 

[waltchan]

According to Microsoft, Windows 10 has a minimum of 10 years support.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ded-to-creators-update-60-of-phones-eligible/

If that's true, I can easily run Sandy Bridge with no problem up to 2026 year max, which 98% of LGA1155 processor models finished depreciating and bottomed out at $3 each.

 

[escrow4]

According to Microsoft, Windows 10 has a minimum of 10 years support.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ded-to-creators-update-60-of-phones-eligible/

If that's true, I can easily run Sandy Bridge with no problem up to 2026 year max, which 98% of LGA1155 processor models finished depreciating and bottomed out at $3 each.

Someday, someone will look at this thread and post it post by post in a museum with some elegant frames and classical tunes. And the unwashed masses will still be completely lost.

 

[Valantar]

This could most definitely be framed as some sort of performance art. An interactive piece highlighting the dogmatically pragmatic and economically traditionalist views dominating modern tech discourse? It definitely has some merit in that regard.

 

[waltchan]

Just scored a new 2016 model year September 2015 i3-2120. I'm taking advantage of all the new mfg. dates newer than your Skylake, and I still earn free 80% depreciation at no cost of $25 shipped. This is the #1 way to buy a new processor, I think. Buy newest mfg. date, buy oldest technology. It works for me.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Buy newest mfg. date, buy oldest technology.

If you say so... I personally prefer to buy newest technology, unless I'm running a computer museum.

 

[waltchan]

If you say so... I personally prefer to buy newest technology, unless I'm running a computer museum.

I know, I know... But you can't beat a new 2016 $25 i3 processor. I can't find it at Micro Center. It takes 3-4 months after manufactured date to ship into a new POS system, and another 1/2 year for it to sell.

 

[Valantar]

I know, I know... But you can't beat a new 2016 $25 i3 processor. I can't find it at Micro Center. It takes 3-4 months after manufactured date to ship into a new POS system, and another 1/2 year for it to sell.

I have to ask once again, as you still haven't provided an answer to this: what exactly is the difference between a 2016 Sandy Bridge chip and a 2012 Sandy Bridge chip? It's manufactured on the same node, it's the same stepping, has no new features, and while "newer is better" applies for many things, it doesn't really when the things in question do not suffer degradation or wear over time. I guess it might have a fancy looking IHS, but so what? That just means they ditched their old copper IHS molds.

 

[waltchan]

I have to ask once again, as you still haven't provided an answer to this: what exactly is the difference between a 2016 Sandy Bridge chip and a 2012 Sandy Bridge chip? It's manufactured on the same node, it's the same stepping, has no new features, and while "newer is better" applies for many things, it doesn't really when the things in question do not suffer degradation or wear over time. I guess it might have a fancy looking IHS, but so what? That just means they ditched their old copper molds.

Easy.... It's based on Haswell-die with cooler operating temperature, despite all Sandy Bridge inside. A tiny bit fewer ounce weight as well. I measured on scale. Color chrome finish different. Manufacturing process different and more advanced. Definitely worth it... I don't need i3-6100 with same date when the i3-2120 does everything I need at 70% less cost. Processors depreciate faster in a blink of eye before you even get your money worth entirely.

 

[.vodka]

Easy.... It's based on Haswell-die with cooler operating temperature, despite all Sandy Bridge inside. A tiny bit fewer ounce weight as well. I measured on scale. Color chrome finish different. Manufacturing process different and more advanced. Definitely worth it... I don't need i3-6100 with same date when the i3-2120 does everything I need at 70% less cost. Processors depreciate faster in a blink of eye before you even get your money worth entirely.

The rest is understandable as things change, but the bolded part... wat?

It's for sure built on a much more refined 32nm process compared to what was in production in 2011, but there's no Haswell class technology in that CPU. Sandy is Sandy, Haswell is Haswell.