Intel "Haswell" Speculation thread

[janas19]

6-8 physical cores
Higher clockspeed
Better IPC
Higher overclock potential
HT on all CPUs
Better IGP capable of crysis on medium/high
All CPU's unlocked
Lower load & idle power consumption

All for the low low price of ?140!

This is what i expect from Haswell. Should my expectations be dashed i will look like this guy --> D:

Ok, now I KNOW you're not serious! 😛

 

[Maximilian]

Ok, now I KNOW you're not serious! 😛

I would also like a high end heatsink, like the ones AMD used to bundle with opterons and a free game, something like fallout 4 (if its made by then) or starcraft 2 heart of the swarm to sweeten the deal.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I think Haswell will offer very little IPC improvement over Ivy Bridge, mainly because its not a die shrink and its mostly concentrated on polishing the architecture with new features like DirectX 11.1, better IGP, better power handling, etc. Haswell will mainly benefit laptops.

Broadwell (14nm) on the other hand should make a big step up in IPC like Sandy Bridge did.

You seem a bit confused.

Sandy Bridge has a big step up in IPC because it was a Tock, where Intel shows what they can do with their latest process after a learning period.

Haswell will also be a Tock and will similarly benefit from Intel learning the ins and outs of their 22nm process with Ivy Bridge.

Broadwell will be a Tick like Ivy Bridge is.

 

[janas19]

I would also like a high end heatsink, like the ones AMD used to bundle with opterons and a free game, something like fallout 4 (if its made by then) or starcraft 2 heart of the swarm to sweeten the deal.

Keep dreaming buddy lol 😉

 

[gevorg]

You seem a bit confused.

Sandy Bridge has a big step up in IPC because it was a Tock, where Intel shows what they can do with their latest process after a learning period.

Haswell will also be a Tock and will similarly benefit from Intel learning the ins and outs of their 22nm process with Ivy Bridge.

Broadwell will be a Tick like Ivy Bridge is.

Its silly not to look beyond tick and tock. Before Sandy Bridge, Intel had only dual-core desktop CPUs on 32nm (i.e. Clarkdale). A quad-core Sandy Bridge gave both, a die shrink and a new architecture. Haswell "only" brings a new architecture, mainly improvements for laptops/ultrabooks.

 

[TuxDave]

Its silly not to look beyond tick and tock. Before Sandy Bridge, Intel had only dual-core desktop CPUs on 32nm (i.e. Clarkdale). A quad-core Sandy Bridge gave both, a die shrink and a new architecture. Haswell "only" brings a new architecture, mainly improvements for laptops/ultrabooks.

What about Gulftowns?

 

[Don Karnage]

Its silly not to look beyond tick and tock. Before Sandy Bridge, Intel had only dual-core desktop CPUs on 32nm (i.e. Clarkdale). A quad-core Sandy Bridge gave both, a die shrink and a new architecture. Haswell "only" brings a new architecture, mainly improvements for laptops/ultrabooks.

Westmere was 32nm. It was Xeon's but still quad's on 1366

 

[gevorg]

What about Gulftowns?

Westmere was 32nm. It was Xeon's but still quad's on 1366

I'm talking about mainstream desktop CPUs, not Extremes or Xeons/server. In other words, a typical CPU that a home user/gamer would choose.

 

[TuxDave]

I'm talking about mainstream desktop CPUs, not Extremes or Xeons/server. In other words, a typical CPU that a home user/gamer would choose.

Fair enough point.

 

[Puppies04]

This just goes to prove my point exactly, which is Intel just wants to be better than its competition. AMD has better IGP now, so that's what Intel wants to improve upon. Once they become the leader, their marketing department takes over R&D, they stagnate, and then their product quality starts to tank again.

Intel don't "want to be better than AMD" they want to have 100% of the market use their chips. They look at competitiors products, work out that some people aren't buying their products because AMD are better than them at something then look at ways of grabbing that bit of market back. Doing it any other way is retarded.

 

[Arachnotronic]

To fuel the discussion somewhat:

 

[janas19]

What's with the two sockets? G3 and H3...

 

[Don Karnage]

What's with the two sockets? G3 and H3...

G3 is laptops and H3 is desktops. Those wanting 6 cores on mainstream still don't get it even with Haswell

 

[janas19]

G3 is laptops and H3 is desktops. Those wanting 6 cores on mainstream still don't get it even with Haswell

Ah, ok. Thx

 

[cbn]

IIRC Haswell products are going back to 95W TDP for mainstream desktop. If it brings more cores and/or solid IPC improvements, though, I doubt anyone will complain.

.......Or the increase in TDP will come primarily from extra IGP.

 

[Hulk]

That's awfully disappointing if true, but I wouldn't doubt it. At least my Gulftown will be modern for a very long time...

I don't think tweaking a CPU architecture from one generation to the next for enormous IPC gains after doing this for 40+ years for the same instruction set is as easy as you think.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I don't think tweaking a CPU architecture from one generation to the next for enormous IPC gains after doing this for 40+ years for the same instruction set is as easy as you think.

Hehe, I don't think it's easy -- but they've got dozens of very, very bright CPU architects at Intel.

The "Haswell New Instructions" look particularly delicious, though.

 

[dma0991]

I doubt this is the best time to speculate on Haswell's performance. There might be a healthy bump in IPC just from the newer arch alone and if all goes to plan, Intel might even raise the multiplier ceiling even higher than SB @ 57x and IB @ 63x. Could be lower if Intel wants to troll us from lack of competition. :hmm:

I would prefer an improvement in CPU but it is also good that Intel is taking their GPU seriously this time. Surely we as enthusiasts would cringe in the fact that CPU improvement is not much but for the bigger majority of mainstream users, the IGP could be very useful.

Having more cores is also on my wish list but seeing that the improvement that SB-E and BD had over SB was minimal in the majority of applications tested(minus heavily threaded ones), there are too few heavily threaded applications to take benefit of >4 cores. I'm even skeptical about ARM processors these days with their more cores race and there will be quads for smartphones this year of which I do not know how would they utilize it fully when desktops are still stuck at 4 cores.

 

[grkM3]

I watched an hour long showing on youtube with a guy that you could barely understand and they basically talked about everything intel has coming up and they had a working haswell micro laptop running and this was like 6-10 months ago.

the guy cleary said haswell is all about power consumtion and intel is at a place where it really dosnt need more performance but when the performance is needed it will turbo 1 core really high.

From what I watched and understood was haswell is all about saving power and getting the most out of a chip with the least amount of power draw.

I will look for the video

going from memory I think he said they had a quad core haswell with just about the same performance as a sandybridge and it pulled like 10-15watts

 

[toyota]

well there was some short little tidbit a while back that said Haswell would be 30% faster clock for clock I believe. I did not pay it much attention though.

 

[grkM3]

intel is saying 20x power saving and 10 days connected standby on laptops with haswell

 

[bryanW1995]

http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Says...val+Todays+Discrete+Graphics/article22002.htm



Secret? lol

uh oh, they're onto us...

 

[Idontcare]

Meh. Like someone else mentioned they are just polishing IB architecture, not rebuilding from the ground up.

I don't know what % of the design is built from the ground up but it's definitely not 100%. On the other hand, from a project management perspective it's impossible to have Haswell be a polished version of Ivybridge. (you figure it out)

You ever get the distinct feeling that some folks haven't quite caught on yet?

White Christmas in Beaverton this year? I loved it when it would snow maybe all of 2 inches in Dallas and we'd be hosting a bunch of Finns (Nokia was around 10% of our revenue at the time) and the parking lot at HQ would have maybe 5 cars in it because of the "blizzard".

The Nokia guys would be like "are you kidding? we have this much snow on the ground in July". They were polite, as you'd expect, but you just knew in their minds they were thinking "these tough Texans are a bunch of pussies 😱" 😀

 

[Grooveriding]

Eww, HT... Do not want.

Why on Earth not ? HT is amazing and makes so many applications and tasks perform much better than they do.

When I am encoding some of my 1080P rips down to a small 2GB 720p m4v for my wife's tablet I am plenty happy to have HT to make it go much faster than it would without.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I don't need it on a gaming PC, and it costs more.

Do not want 😛