Intel Haswell presented at IDF - Feature overclock like LGA2011

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  • CPU frequency can be overclocked in three steps within BIOS based on BCLK: +100MHz, +125MHz and +167MHz. Plus an additional 5-7 percent fine adjustments. There is more to it than that, for more information read the source
  • IGP (HD 4600 for desktops) can be overclocked. Unlocked ratios up to 60 with +50MHz increments
  • Memory controller is unlocked (DDR3) and can be overclocked in 200MHz and 266MHz steps all the way up to 2933MHz.

Source: http://www.technationnews.com/2013/...features-and-4th-generation-hd-graphics-core/
http://wccftech.com/idf-2013-intel-...ing-features-4th-generation-hd-graphics-core/
 

Maximilian

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"Only some processors enable part or all of these features"

In translation its likely only the K series that will allow any of this. Business as usual as far as overclocking is concerned, except now with K series you can dick about with base clock straps which IMO is useless since the chip is unlocked anyways.

Maybe extreme ocers or those that oc for benches may find a use in this.
 

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Perhaps Maxi - but why give this "potential hardware limit" that is SKY HIGH comparing to SB\IB - if it can only draw near IVB being a 22nm product as well?


Hopefully bodes well for Haswell being a monster OC'er.
(Such as a delidded IVB with even more room on a mature process).
 

moonbogg

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I like the 8ghz potential. It makes me think that it has good OC headroom, but that may have nothing to do with their decision. I swear, if this chip hits 5ghz+ as a common OC, I will be so happy that i'll.....well i'll just...
 

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Oh yeah, I'd been so busy this week that I'd quite forgotten to take a look at Intel's IDF 2013 Beijing presentations. For those that don't know, Intel actually posts all of the PDF's from their IDF technical sessions online - https://intel.activeevents.com/bj13/scheduler/catalog.do The one for "Enhancing the Overclocking Experience on Intel® Enthusiast Desktop and Mobile Platforms" goes into a decent amount of detail on Haswell overclocking... including some more information on the iVR (for example, apparently it allows for static voltages to core/whatever up to 2.0V.)
 

Ayah

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If they can hit 5GHz on air, they'll sell like hotcakes, hell I'd probably dump my 4.2GHz 920 for one.
 

Abwx

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If they can hit 5GHz on air, they'll sell like hotcakes, hell I'd probably dump my 4.2GHz 920 for one.

If the VRMs are fully integrated it will indeed be a hotcake
once overclocked since the CPU heatspreader will have
to sink an additional power that was once externalised.

Curious to see how this will work...
 

Ajay

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"Only some processors enable part or all of these features"

In translation its likely only the K series that will allow any of this. Business as usual as far as overclocking is concerned, except now with K series you can dick about with base clock straps which IMO is useless since the chip is unlocked anyways.

Maybe extreme ocers or those that oc for benches may find a use in this.

Some Non-'K's might have the BCLK options, IMHO. We'll have to wait and see.
 

Homeles

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Not quite what I was hoping for. We'll see how much damage there is when we find out which models can do what as far as overclocking in concerned.

Still, this is a big step up from Sandy Bridge.
If the VRMs are fully integrated it will indeed be a hotcake
once overclocked since the CPU heatspreader will have
to sink an additional power that was once externalised.

Curious to see how this will work...
Oh no! A few extra watts of heat! It's the end of the world!

Super clean power easily makes your argument complete and utter folly. Besides, VRM cooling has frequently been an issue, as they're often left untouched by airflow. If the VRMs were on package, they would save overclockers a lot of headaches -- it'd also lead to increased stability.

I like the 8ghz potential. It makes me think that it has good OC headroom, but that may have nothing to do with their decision. I swear, if this chip hits 5ghz+ as a common OC, I will be so happy that i'll.....well i'll just...
Ivy Bridge was able to hit around 7.2 GHz with a 63x multiplier cap... I can only imagine what they'll be able to hit with cleaner power, BCLK tuning, and a multiplier up to 80.
 
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Abwx

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On second thoughts , when a single VRM did fail people had to replace
the MB while with HW you ll have to replace the CPU , the MB being the
spared component if ever there s such a failure....
 

Abwx

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Oh no! A few extra watts of heat! It's the end of the world!

Super clean power easily makes your argument complete and utter folly. Besides, VRM cooling has frequently been an issue, as they're often left untouched by airflow. If the VRMs were on package, they would save overclockers a lot of headaches -- it'd also lead to increased stability.

Typical arguments from one who doesnt understand a lot
either in basic phyisics and in electronics design , that is ,
discussing technical matters using marketing spin as the
bolded words can testify...

Besides , i stated when overclocked , wich is not the same
as stock frequency , isnt it..
 

Homeles

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Besides , i stated when overclocked , wich is not the same
as stock frequency , isnt it..
So higher quality VRMs = higher cleaner power, but not when overclocked? Okay.

Only a fool would suggest that the improvments would not pass on when running out of spec.

And your ridiculous paranoia about VRM failure would be greatly abated had you taken the time to think and realize that they would now be sitting under massive, active cooling units.

You also are apparently lacking education in how clean power and high overclocks go hand in hand. Yet you dismiss this as me as the one lacking an understanding in physics...
LOL enthusiast processors selling like hotcakes.
The bigger "LOL" here is that you apparently cannot think in relative terms.
 

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80x100 = 8 GHz ! Too bad you'll need some LN2 for that.
80x167*1.05 = 14 GHz!!! Regardless of what the LN2 overclockers achieve, I expect they'll pass the current AMD record.

What does "non-continuous" mean?

Assuming that's not an issue, the 4570 should be popular @4GHz if they allow that.
 

Abwx

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So higher quality VRMs = higher cleaner power, but not when overclocked? Okay.

Have you access to a paper about thoses magical VRMs
(actualy MosFet transistors) electrical parameters..?..
If not that is only wishfull thoughts and marketing inspired
opinion.

And your ridiculous paranoia about VRM failure would be greatly abated had you taken the time to think and realize that they would now be sitting under massive, active cooling units.

You also are apparently lacking education in how clean power and high overclocks go hand in hand. Yet you dismiss this as me as the one lacking an understanding in physics...

For who knows how rudely the VRMs are molested by peak
powers that create huge current density in their substrate
such a concern is logical , moreove when overclocking.
 

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Hotcakes? most sales are done via Consumer OEM and Enterprise/Commercial OEM.

The only reason I see Intel investing in a enthusiast line is that speed records make a solid PR play...there is no way they are making That much money off enthusiast lines.
 

Ayah

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Selling like hotcakes is relative to the previous generation. (a similar intended market)
Enthusiasts are high margin (relative to income/area of wafer) but ridiculously low volume (relative to general CPU sales).
 

cytg111

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Sooo .. what does this mean in terms of oc-ability on K versus non-K models? .. The K will be multiplier unlocked, but the non K will still have options with bclk right ?
 

ShintaiDK

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Sooo .. what does this mean in terms of oc-ability on K versus non-K models? .. The K will be multiplier unlocked, but the non K will still have options with bclk right ?

I would assume BCLK is K models only.
 

Homeles

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Have you access to a paper about thoses magical VRMs
(actualy MosFet transistors) electrical parameters..?..
If not that is only wishfull thoughts and marketing inspired
opinion.
If you're going to play the "I'm smarter than this guy" card, you should try not to come up short. It's "MOSFET."

No, I don't have access to them. I am extrapolating from data available -- if we know that the IVR has better performance at stock (this in itself is an assumption, but I'd like you to come up with an opposing assumption that isn't completely asinine), then logically it would perform better out of spec as well.

While my arguments may be driven by a wish to see Haswell succeed, your skepticism is a result of your desperate wishes to see it fail. I'm not afraid to come clean on this -- are you?
For who knows how rudely the VRMs are molested by peak
powers that create huge current density in their substrate
such a concern is logical , moreove when overclocking.
They'll be "molested" even more when under passive heatsinks, or -- most commonly -- when not under a heatsink at all.

Furthermore, not every stage of voltage regulation is being integrated. The IVR will be recieving power that is already filtered.
 

Abwx

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No, I don't have access to them. I am extrapolating from data available -- if we know that the IVR has better performance at stock

They'll be "molested" even more when under passive heatsinks, or -- most commonly -- when not under a heatsink at all.

Furthermore, not every stage of voltage regulation is being integrated. The IVR will be recieving power that is already filtered.

There s no such thing as "higher quality VRMs" or rather mosfets ,
they are always a compromise between switching speed and
high conductance.

Either they can withstand high currents and have low on resistance ,
but then they will have awfull parasistic capacitances that will command
high command currents to make them switch fast enough or they
will be fast but you ll have to give up on the conductance front.

In the first case dynamic losses will be higher than static ones
while it will be the contrary for the second type of device.

On overclocking dedicated MBs manufacturers will tend
to use slower but more rugged devices given the expected
usage , power dissipation being left out of the equation.

That is for the technical discussion.

While my arguments may be driven by a wish to see Haswell succeed, your skepticism is a result of your desperate wishes to see it fail. I'm not afraid to come clean on this -- are you?

Only religious people have no doubts...