News Intel GPUs - we've given up on B770, where's Celestial already

[IntelUser2000]

All the problematic side ventures are from the finance/mediocre/bad CEOs. Barrett, Otellini, Kraznich. They seriously stagnated after the success of the P6.

For Optane, remember Gelsinger was taught under Andy Grove, who is famous for steering the main business away from memory into logic. They benefitted enormously over that.

Gelsinger has said in a recent interview:
"I like to joke that Intel keeps exiting the memory business. I'm gonna freakin' close the door on that".

So at least we know under him we won't see any memory-related ventures again, and that includes storage. Gelsinger also stated they'll close a few more. If it's not GPU it has to be pretty minor.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Gelsinger has said in a recent interview:
"I like to joke that Intel keeps exiting the memory business. I'm gonna freakin' close the door on that".

It's pretty ironic Intel started out as a memory company, selling CPUs on the side.

 

[Thala]

But at least, apart from the system chipset drivers being different for ATOM (a lot of SoC-type features built-in), at least the peripheral / add-on device drivers were binary-compatible between ATOM and Core, AFAIK.

Now, with ARM on Desktop, if you want to install a GPU, you no longer need "NVidia drivers", but "ARM-specific NVidia drivers" for that PCI device-id. It adds an additional layer of complexity to servicing those machines.

Right, the installer typically figures out the target architecture. On the other hand, there are no desktop class ARM SoCs available today. The fastest ARM SoC for Windows (if we exclude the server class machines), which is the 8CX Gen 3, is still a 9-10W TDP design for fan-less portables. The next natural step would be going up into the 20-25W TDP range.

But if MS does things right, then Windows-on-ARM should be as familiar as ever.

It is. You would not notice, that you are working on an ARM Windows machine unless you look into the task manager and see all the ARM64 processes mixed with the occasional x64 or x86 process.

 

[clemsyn]

Just an update. Been testing this A380 and looks like disabling CSM on the bios did wonders it is now pretty stable. I also forced PCI Gen 3 with 32 clocks instead of Auto in the bios.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I also forced PCI Gen 3 with 32 clocks instead of Auto in the bios.

With CSM disabled and PCI Gen 3 on Auto, does it get worse?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Just an update. Been testing this A380 and looks like disabling CSM on the bios did wonders it is now pretty stable. I also forced PCI Gen 3 with 32 clocks instead of Auto in the bios.

That is interesting. I wonder why. CSM shouldn't really affect anything other then booting.

 

[igor_kavinski]

CSM shouldn't really affect anything other then booting.

My only experience with a modern AMD card is the RX 580. It hated CSM on my Z77 mobo. I guess Raja carried over the engineers from AMD who hate CSM.

 

[mikk]

According to Gamers Nexus (they talked to someone from Intel) Arc is not cancelled, it's not true.

 

[Heartbreaker]

According to Gamers Nexus (they talked to someone from Intel) Arc is not cancelled, it's not true.

That's pretty much consensus for people with actual Intel Contacts, and all Intel spokespeople.

It's just the ever inaccurate and ever arrogant MLID that claims otherwise.

 

[Stuka87]

That is interesting. I wonder why. CSM shouldn't really affect anything other then booting.

CSM impacts how the OS interacts with hardware. Its not a boot time only feature.

Unless the user has hardware that just isn't compatible with UEFI, it should be disabled.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

CSM impacts how the OS interacts with hardware. Its not a boot time only feature.

Not really. CSM is there to ensure you can run legacy OSs (by BIOS emulation) and use legacy OROMs. If you use a UEFI capable OS, it has no purpose other then the pre-boot environment.

Unless the user has hardware that just isn't compatible with UEFI, it should be disabled.

Indeed. There is no reason to have it enabled with a UEFI OS.

 

[NTMBK]

RTX 4080 and 4090 officially announced... Good luck selling these now, Intel.

 

[Heartbreaker]

RTX 4080 and 4090 officially announced... Good luck selling these now, Intel.

Not really in the same price category. The cheapest 4080 starts at $900, the top Intel part is probably half that.

 

[eek2121]

Not really in the same price category. The cheapest 4080 starts at $900, the top Intel part is probably half that.

Less than half.

Also you guys really need to stop watching MLID. He is not a credible source for anything. He has deleted videos where he was clearly shown to be wrong…

 

[Tup3x]

Marques Brownlee has A770:

 

[Harry_Wild]

Intel has been selling the Arc A380 in China and got pushback because of issues with their card. They just now worked most of the bugs out!

 

[jpiniero]

According to Gamers Nexus (they talked to someone from Intel) Arc is not cancelled, it's not true.

Don't be that gullible. They need to unload the chips first. TSMC ain't cheap, you know.

 

[mikk]

Don't be that gullible. They need to unload the chips first. TSMC ain't cheap, you know.

You shouldn't be so gullible on every rumor from some techtuber.

 

[clemsyn]

Finally got this thing overclocked and it is a pain. The Arc Control Software keeps on crashing and I have to end task in task manager and opening the app while rushing to overclock it. The most I can overclock is 2750 mhz (from 2450). GPUZ confirms the overclock but I don't notice any increase in frame rate in Doom Eternal. Could be rebar issue?

I have ripped a lot of Blurays with this with AV1 with amazing quality and a lot less time.

The biggest issue I have is when I turn it off overnight, sometimes it is not detected when I turn it on. My workaround for this is to change the PCI Gen to 2 and it will be detected again. Juggling it to PCI Gen 1, 2 of 3 gives me the same issue. It also happens in sleep (hibernation disabled). If it sleeps overnight, sometimes it reboots and is not detected again. Changing PCI Gen seems to get it back up and running again. Hope they fix this.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hope they fix this.

You could post a ticket with either ASROCK support or Intel ARC support (if they have something like that). Maybe these issues are not happening with more recent mobos.

 

[psolord]

Finally got this thing overclocked and it is a pain. The Arc Control Software keeps on crashing and I have to end task in task manager and opening the app while rushing to overclock it. The most I can overclock is 2750 mhz (from 2450). GPUZ confirms the overclock but I don't notice any increase in frame rate in Doom Eternal. Could be rebar issue?

I have ripped a lot of Blurays with this with AV1 with amazing quality and a lot less time.

The biggest issue I have is when I turn it off overnight, sometimes it is not detected when I turn it on. My workaround for this is to change the PCI Gen to 2 and it will be detected again. Juggling it to PCI Gen 1, 2 of 3 gives me the same issue. It also happens in sleep (hibernation disabled). If it sleeps overnight, sometimes it reboots and is not detected again. Changing PCI Gen seems to get it back up and running again. Hope they fix this.

Hey friend, can you encode a trailer from a BD and upload it to a filehoster so we can download and test it? I mean it isn't illegal for trailers right?

 

[clemsyn]

Hey friend, can you encode a trailer from a BD and upload it to a filehoster so we can download and test it? I mean it isn't illegal for trailers right?

Sure, tell me the video you want and I'll encode. New drivers are out so I'm testing again. Hopefully they fix a few issues.

 

[mikk]

Arc A770 embargo:

• Unboxing : 9/30 09:00 (EDT)
• Review : 10/5 09:00 (EDT)

Intel expected to lift Arc A770 GPU review embargo in early October - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc A770 reviews We have an update on Arc desktop reviews. This information is based on the new embargo guidelines that were provided to reviewers. What is important to note is that this information may still change, and we are uncertain whether it applies to more than just one model...

videocardz.com

 

[Tup3x]

New drivers (9/23/2022) : https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...tel-arc-graphics-windows-dch-driver-beta.html

 

[clemsyn]

Ok, tried the new drivers. Encoding AV1 is better, GPU utilization goes up to 60-70% percent (around 50-60% from old drivers) on 1hr45min movie of av1 encoding and time decreased from 27 minutes to 23 minutes. Quality seems the same as old drivers.

Doom Eternal (with RT on) seems to stutter compared previous drivers. Arc Control software is still the same, buggy. GPU still disappears randomly from sleep or shutdown (this is what I disklike the most).