IntelUser2000
Elite Member
Battlemage is "2023-2024" so Alchemist won't intercept with BM at all.
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Battlemage is "2023-2024" so Alchemist won't intercept with BM at all.
IntelUser2000
Elite Member
By the way the Envy 16 with ARC A370M can be configured on the HP site. It's slower than we'd like but it's happening.
Intel shareholders rejected the company’s executive pay program—putting the CEO’s promised $180 million pay package on the line | Fortune
Intel shareholders voted against the company’s executive compensation last week, which included a $178.6 million payout to CEO Pat Gelsinger.
You see this is why we voted against paying the board. Intel Board is nothing but absoulte TRASH, that has no idea what timing and speculation is.
Delays again...
Intel Delays Its First-Generation Arc Desktop GPUs Again - IGN
Intel has once again delayed the release of its highly-anticipated first-generation Arc desktop graphics cards, and announced a staggered approach to how it will launch them.
They completely missed the HOT segment where they could of sold dookie just because its a GPU, even if it performed bad, but was priced so people could afford it, and it was at least as good as a 3050.
But no...
The entire Intel Board needs to be laid off.... even if we have to pay them to get the hell out...
We need a Lisa Su counter part @ intel, because current Intel is NOT working.
They are taking the entire company under, soon its gonna be a Cyrix moment all over again watch.
IntelUser2000
Elite Member
Delays again...
Intel Delays Its First-Generation Arc Desktop GPUs Again - IGN
Intel has once again delayed the release of its highly-anticipated first-generation Arc desktop graphics cards, and announced a staggered approach to how it will launch them.www.ign.com
The bad guys are already out. It wasn't just because of the "bad guys", but because they FIRED 20K employees or something over stupid reasons like "oh you're too old" or "I don't like you". The latter of which was BK's legacy. Gelsinger hired 13K employees, not just high profile ones like the Nehalem architect.
They are still in the process of changing the company. You don't change a 100K+ place overnight, especially when the problems were brewing for more than a decade.
Also, the article for the delay is dated May 10th. It's June 1 now.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Look at how abysmal the driver performance was before and how much it improved subsequently. They still have to figure out splatting.
GodisanAtheist
Diamond Member
*Pokes head into Intel ARC Thread*
"Ah, still a ****show*
*Leaves, quietly closes the door behind him*
"Ah, still a ****show*
*Leaves, quietly closes the door behind him*
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
You can't just jump into a new technology space by willing it.
Pat Gelsinger appears to be trending Intel in the right direction bringing the focus back to engineering, but he's only been there since 2021.
If you want to compare him to Lisa Su, you need to give him comparable amount of time.
Lisa Su took over AMD in 2014. It really wasn't until 2020 until their GPU division become competitive (RDNA) again. So she gets 6 years, but you won't give Gelsinger 2 years?
Plus AMD already had discrete GPUs as core business, and it's a new business for Intel, so if anything Intel should get more time.
JasonLD
Senior member
Unlikely since big APUs are most likely to happen in the future.
Heartbreaker
Diamond Member
Intel should have been more forward looking back in 2006, and snapped up ATI.
It's kind of stunning that it took them this long to realize the importance of GPUs.
I don't think anyone was realistically expecting great thing from their first generation.
Hopefully they are in it for the long haul, and can make a credible product in a few years.
moinmoin
Diamond Member
Intel knew all along the importance of GPUs. Intel is the company that put iGPUs in all its consumer chips. AMD is just catching up to that. Intel saw the danger of GPUs in datacenters early on, that why they pushed development on Larrabee/Xeon Phi since 2006.
The big mistake was first starving then shuttering Xeon Phi without a direct replacement available in the products portfolio.
Skylake Server was the replacement.
moinmoin
Diamond Member
Yeah, that's why we saw Aurora on time running Skylake Servers. Wait what?
Intel saw GPUs as trivial. Basic gaming, video output, etc. They thought that they could keep x86 as the center for parallel computing, which they did see as important, no doubt adding patented instructions to ensure dominance and competitor lock-out. The rapid scaling of GPUs must have sent shockwaves through management.
moinmoin
Diamond Member
Larrabee/Xeon Phi was intended to be Intel's x86-based answer to the rapid scaling of GPUs. The Aurora exascale supercomputer was originally to be built around Xeon Phi and to be finished back in 2018(!). Intel's major mismanagement in that area was shuttering the Xeon Phi line before having an equivalent replacement. And the equivalent replacement still hasn't launched, and we are in 2022!
(@jpiniero, I still don't know what you were referring to with "Skylake Servers". Standard server chips never were and never could have been a replacement capable of running Aurora alone. Care to explain your response?)
When did Larrabee start being conceptualized? 2004, 2005 timeframe? GPUs had something like 100-200 shader cores. Intel thought they could stay in the game with x86. Can see the Oracles at Intel saying, "control the language and you control the world".
I guess it's the same human failing that doomed so many companies. The inability to obsolete your own products. In this case, it's not even that, as both CPU & GPU profitably coexist. Just myopic stupid greed, "WE WANT ALL", and you end up way behind.
edit: Corrected shader core count
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Intel did get several HPC deals which use just Skylake Server and no accelerators. I think they realized they would never be able to catch nVidia in performance because of how big the CPU cores are, hence the GPU project.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
The New Intel: How Nvidia Went From Powering Video Games To Revolutionizing Artificial Intelligence
Graphics-chip specialist Nvidia's almost accidental dominance of the market for artificial-intelligence processors has propelled its stock to new heights in the past five years.
www.forbes.com
Intel is the opposite of that. Until a few years ago, they thought themselves invincible and so big that no one could challenge them. That's the beginning of any company's downfall.
DrMrLordX
Lifer
It was actually Cascade Lake-AP. Which went pretty much nowhere.
moinmoin
Diamond Member
And no plan B. Which I find most mind-boggling of all. Integral part of myopic overconfidence I guess.
IntelUser2000
Elite Member
Remember, it was 10nm delay that led to demise of Xeon Phi. The same management that led to losing the leadership of their strongest area won't have foresight to do things like create a replacement.
The process delay actually started with 14nm. It was 6 month delayed. That's why the first product was Core M, and it was pretty disappointing.
The process delay actually started with 14nm. It was 6 month delayed. That's why the first product was Core M, and it was pretty disappointing.
Saylick
Diamond Member
Speaking of no plan B, the same thing happened with 10nm. There was really no fallback to hedge if 10nm didn't meet schedule.
They knew 10nm was super aggressive with their scaling targets and they thought they could do it without EUV (to give them credit, it wasn't mature enough anyways when 10nm targets were established). However, they really shot themselves in the foot by being headstrong and thinking that if they just threw more resources at the problem, they could get 10nm resolved. In hindsight, they should have either pivoted away sooner from the aggressive scaling targets and/or decide to use EUV. Meanwhile, the stars align for TSMC, who were previously a year or two behind Intel, because EUV starts to mature right when they started setting up scaling targets that could benefit from EUV. They start making orders for EUV machines while Intel still thinks they don't need them yet.
What Intel should have done is have two separate teams: one designs 10nm without EUV with relaxed scaling, and another designs 10nm with EUV but the original scaling targets. Whichever one looked more likely to meet schedule, that's the one that gets used first. Ideally it would be the traditional DUV option. Then, when the EUV option is viable, it gets used. This is no different than what TSMC did by introducing small changes across iterative nodes. The point is, TSMC develops multiple nodes simultaneously. Intel did not.
IntelUser2000
Elite Member
I think what really compounded the issue is what you said in addition to firing experienced staff and engineers in general.
You cannot fire people with invaluable experience, kill morale and expect the most ambitious target to be met.
NTMBK
Lifer
Look, a desktop card! Shame about the drivers
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