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NTMBK

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They put some comic book characters on the box. I **** you not.


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Can't wait for my next Ryzen to come with Judge Dredd on the box.
 

Markfw

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here are some articles about the bugs mentioned and there are zillions of other articles i can link too just took 10 seconds right now to look.



https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/bugs.html







these are all bugs with the ryzen chips, as far as how many i own? i own one threadripper with issues 1950x that was patched 4-6 months later, i run one 2700x, and 2x 3600x. havnt slept in a while and been working but im sure i own more ryzen cpu's then those 4 chips, all of my laptops are intel, all my firewalls are intel, just purchased 2 more mini nuc's (8250u and 9750h) that are intel (i dont know why they dont offer more ryzen nucs a 4700u would have been great) I love amd and love intel, but people DO purchase intel for less compatibility issues, some software just simply works with intel and doesnt with out patches and work arounds for amd, not the end of the world but im not going to pretend it isnt a thing because it is. (i can make another long winded post about those if you like but now its time for some dinner.
So you own AMD, so obviously you recognize their abilities, but yet you put them down for a few initial bugs 3 years ago, and continue to do so, even though the issues are loing gone, and were rare even then.

OK, whatever....
 

Steltek

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Personally, I think Intel would have done better on sales if they reduced prices and competed on cost instead of packaging chips in cartoon boxes and keeping their excessive markups.

Guess I just don't know anything... :(
 

Steltek

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Who the heck is giving three year olds computers? :oops:

All the "cool" parents, apparently. After all, you can never start too early in indoctrinating your kids to Facebook, Twitter, and the need to act like helpless idiots without them.
 

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All the "cool" parents, apparently. After all, you can never start too early in indoctrinating your kids to Facebook, Twitter, and the need to act like helpless idiots without them.
The Fire kids tablets are more than enough for growing kids. It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen and used. Educational cartoons, games, books, etc. Amazon really outdid themselves there. I'd be more comfortable giving that to a kid than an old iPad given that Apple's lockdown features for child use is a joke.
 
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Hitman928

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The Fire kids tablets are more than enough for growing kids. It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen and used. Educational cartoons, games, books, etc. Amazon really outdid themselves there. I'd be more comfortable giving that to a kid than an old iPad given that Apple's lockdown features for child use is a joke.

Coming from another parent, all I have to say is yes, yes, and yes. Even Windows 10's built in parental controls are far better than what you get on an ipad.
 

TheELF

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That sure cost AMD less, and is less garish.
Hmm a box you can throw away or hide, or a CPU with a sig that you will never see...how is one more or less garish than the other?!
Avangers is probably more showboaty then having just the sig of lisa though,which is the whole reason of advertising.

In the end maybe Intel has made a boatload of money from taking disney's money.The details of this deal are not known yet but if you look at the last 10 quarters or so of intel's earnings, intel has both way enough money to not care about how expensive this would be for them and way enough sales to not care about this,both are true for disney as well I guess.
It is unclear if this arrangement involves Intel licensing the Marvel brand, or Marvel is paying Intel for co-branding ahead of Marvel's new videogame, the Marvel Avengers, set to launch on September 4th for Xbox, Playstation, and PC
 

soresu

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here are some articles about the bugs mentioned and there are zillions of other articles i can link too just took 10 seconds right now to look.



https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/bugs.html







these are all bugs with the ryzen chips, as far as how many i own? i own one threadripper with issues 1950x that was patched 4-6 months later, i run one 2700x, and 2x 3600x. havnt slept in a while and been working but im sure i own more ryzen cpu's then those 4 chips, all of my laptops are intel, all my firewalls are intel, just purchased 2 more mini nuc's (8250u and 9750h) that are intel (i dont know why they dont offer more ryzen nucs a 4700u would have been great) I love amd and love intel, but people DO purchase intel for less compatibility issues, some software just simply works with intel and doesnt with out patches and work arounds for amd, not the end of the world but im not going to pretend it isnt a thing because it is. (i can make another long winded post about those if you like but now its time for some dinner.
Most of the articles you posted were about Ryzen 3000/Zen 2, yet almost directly after its initial release in July last year.

It's far from unknown for new AMD uArch's to have a settling in time during which regular BIOS updates fix bug issues and performance, not really fair to compare compatibility against an architecture which hasn't really changed significantly since Skylake prior to Sunny Cove based SKU's.

If the same RdRand problem also exists in Windows, clearly either Microsoft are covering the problem themselves, or AMD have simply prioritised the OS with far greater marketshare.

Unlike Intel it's not like AMD have a nigh on unlimited software R&D budget to throw around for such problems - AMD have to be very frugal with money even now with their current success.

If they had hundreds of millions on tap to throw at problems their ROCm compute platform would probably be a bit more competitive than it is at the present time.

Not to mention that you are somewhat overlooking the fact that Intel likely have no end of such hardware related bugs/errata of their own, albeit ameliorated by the age and maturity of Skylake errata by now on more recent *lake variants - and much as with their somewhat regular security bugs cropping up they are simply patched through microcode when found.
 

DrMrLordX

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So now Intel are not just losers to AMD...they're Thor losers? :D


That's . . . all I have to say about that.

Hmm a box you can throw away or hide

So your defense of Intel's marketing strategy here is "hey at least you can get rid of the box/make sure no one sees it"? Intel likely paid Disney (not the other way around) to put those characters on the box.
 
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NTMBK

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So your defense of Intel's marketing strategy here is "hey at least you can get rid of the box/make sure no one sees it"? Intel likely paid Disney (not the other way around) to put those characters on the box.

Nono, I'm sure that Disney are dying to have their leading brand associated with a space heater CPU!
 

TheELF

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So your defense of Intel's marketing strategy here is "hey at least you can get rid of the box/make sure no one sees it"? Intel likely paid Disney (not the other way around) to put those characters on the box.
I don't need to defend intel's marketing and it's not what I did.
Intel makes 70bil a year and they can spend their winnings of that on whatever tickles their fancy.
Garish..look up what that word means and you will understand what I talked about.
As soon as you have build your build both will be the same because you will not see any difference.
 

TheELF

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Nono, I'm sure that Disney are dying to have their leading brand associated with a space heater CPU!
They sure as heck are not interested in being associated with the loser company.
 

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I'm not in the target audience Intel is going after here, but there's product tie-ins with everything anymore, so I don't really care one way or the other.

My only question would be why they waited so long after all the Marvel cinematic universe movies have been out since forever. Something like this would have made a lot more sense when Infinity War or Endgame was released. I mean, really right now the entire series is in the middle of its longest Marvel movie break since they began with Iron Man in 2008.

I wonder if they're going to go with He Man or GI Joe for the next marketing tie-in? ;)
My best guess about the timing, is it is because the Avengers video game will be releasing soon on PC. The beta starts within the next week.

Concerning the idea of putting artwork on the CPU itself: You may never see it, but I might. ;) I have some CPUs I collected over the decades.They might have ended up on display instead of in a parts closet, if they were not so mundane looking. One is an old school AMD XP with no IHS, but the rest have one. OTOH, I would not pay more than a few dollar mark up over the same CPU without artwork on it. Unless of course, they are better binned as well. Remember how you had to look up the codes on the CPU to see if you had the best batch? What if all you had to do was tell people to buy the one with Wolverine on it.

EDIT: And one character that should NOT appear on Intel CPUs is Antman, since they can't seem to get the shrinking part right. :p I'll show myself out.
 
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sounds like a personal attack, you are saying there has never been a issue with threadrippers and linux that required updates 6 months later? maybe you just didnt know about it or are pretending you dont know.. /shrug

He's bias'd.. You haven't figured that out yet?
 
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ultimatebob

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Coming from another parent, all I have to say is yes, yes, and yes. Even Windows 10's built in parental controls are far better than what you get on an ipad.

I've never really had any problems with the iOS Parental Control features on my daughter's iPad. That said, I do like Google Family Link better.