Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[moinmoin]

So the best you can expect from big corporations is when they are suffering, because they have no choice.

What do you mean? Intel is suffering, and all their support is crashing like a house of cards while some lead mumble about not wanting to support competition while cutting their own nose to spite them.

 

[DavidC1]

What do you mean? Intel is suffering, and all their support is crashing like a house of cards while some lead mumble about not wanting to support competition while cutting their own nose to spite them.

So they could go a lot lower before they reach a "humbled" state. Like AMD did right before Zen. But muh National Security....

 

[LightningZ71]

Intel did a lot of this to themselves. A quick search online shows multiple articles on their H1B visa abuse in the past, the struggles that came from having people in positions that they had no business being in, then the rounds of layoffs from their financials suffering from having lost their edge due to their own decisions in the late teens and COVID era.

They get no sympathy from me, and will be ruthless in attempting to survive.

 

[Joe NYC]

That's actually the part that makes this whole development even more puzzling.

Intel could have moved a lot of effort into a "make x86 great" pool shared with AMD. What they did though is layoffs without replacements (orphaning significant chucks of code) and insist that future efforts need to help only Intel.

All while the problem is that Intel's current hardware implementation simply is worse than AMD's, but that can change again. Which is what Intel should strive for, not holding back open source support for x86 standards (which Intel is setting).

It also just happens that all of the server CPU share losses of x86 to Arm came at expense of Intel.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel server stuff is WAYYYY too expensive. It's not just Intel that benefits from that, or used to benefit. Their partners basically exploit their customers into paying and paying for extended support. Our old Ivy Bridge servers lost support from Dell after three years because our company refused to pay the exorbitant support fees they wanted. Then we paid over $7000 for a Cascade Lake 6248R HP server when we should have been offered a Sapphire Rapids server for that price. Intel did this to themselves. Sure, you can abuse your monopoly position for a few years or decades even but eventually, you pay for it when those you wrong return the favor.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@igor_kavinski Depending on the timeline of that purchase, Sapphire Rapids might not have been available at any price.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@igor_kavinski Depending on the timeline of that purchase, Sapphire Rapids might not have been available at any price.

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SRapids was released a year prior to that.

 

[DrMrLordX]

SRapids was released a year prior to that.

Okay then that just sucks to get Cascade Lake at that point. Especially given the mitigations that need to be used on a production Cascade Lake system.