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A/// said:
English translation, please?
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IDK why original page cannot being translated by google or some other online translator. All ya need to know is simple:

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when click another tag, the tag's position will change
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but since this bench is not well-known or 'authoritative', we should still wait
 
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Apparent pricing and benchmarks of ADL-S. Looks good so far, if true.

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EDIT: Some of the benchmarks show the 11900k beating the 12900KF, so I would take the numbers with a grain of salt.
 
eek2121 said:
Apparent pricing and benchmarks of ADL-S. Looks good so far, if true.
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If that pricing is correct, then it is a $17 to $70 price increase compared to Rocket Lake (6.5% to 16.9% increase). The largest dollar increase would be the 12900 ($70) and 12900K ($60). The largest percent increase would be the 12600 (16.9%) and 12900 (15.9%). Unfortunate, but understandable given the current chip shortage and added features.
 
JoeRambo said:
Yeah, PC Mark score is nothing short of disaster, probably woes of scheduler keeping loads on E cores.
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Possibly. Can’t read the article, unfortunately. Might try Google Translate later.

dullard said:
If that pricing is correct, then it is a $17 to $70 price increase compared to Rocket Lake (6.5% to 16.9% increase). The largest dollar increase would be the 12900 ($70) and 12900K ($60). The largest percent increase would be the 12600 (16.9%) and 12900 (15.9%). Unfortunate, but understandable given the current chip shortage and added features.
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I still wonder if that will be the final pricing for the US. The site isn’t targeting the US obviously.
 
CakeMonster said:
Is there more to that source? Anyone could have made the table.
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It scores exacly as i expected it to score given the available info in GB5 and CB and Blender, so probably info has a lot merit to it.

5Ghz x 8 x HT yield + 3.7 ghz x 8 is plenty of MT power and enough to match 3.75 ghz x 16 x HT yieldAMD

Where it falls apart in more "stupid" testing like PCMark, that is already known to be vulnerable to power plans, memory timing, AMD pre Z3 CCX pecularities and so on.
 
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CakeMonster said:
Is there more to that source? Anyone could have made the table.
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I don't think this is a source, it's a copy and paste from other known sources. Look they don't have more SKU infos, the P/E clock speeds of the K-SKUs were already known, they don't know more than this. The non K core/thread counts might be nonsense there. 12700 listed as 8+4. On Geekbench it's 8+0: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9528015

Clock speed seems off as well.
 
That 12600k seems like an ideal budget gaming processor. It should have enough threads to get the job done without breaking the bank or being a thermal nightmare.
 
Granted, no one knows what app this slide is based on but ADL-S is ~17% ahead of Zen 3 and slightly less than that against RKL-S in single core uplift in this particular scenario, Maybe we can trace the app by the difference between RKL-S and Zen 3. GB5? CBxx?

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I think a lot of Alder Lake success rides on memory. DDR4 being better for enthusiasts makes sense only if motherboards are enthusiast level as well. If all good motherboards are DDR5 and DDR4 ones have potato VRMs, that would be bad for Intel.
 
Asterox said:
SisoftSandra bench, hm memory bandwidth why it is so lower on Alder Lake.
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Cause it is not measuring mem bw after all? DDR4 3200 is ~50GB/s affair, so that already tells us this is measuring some other "quantity".
Benchmark is probably old and getting defeated by large L3 caches and since ZEN3 has two L3 cache domains of 32MB, more of that extra "bandwidth" is leaking into score.

Still with DDR5 latency being as horrible as it is, it will impact bandwidth as well. Not in the most synthetic benchmarks like Aida64, but things like Intel's Memory Latency checker will paint different picture - latency x bandwith product is gonna be bad and that will hurt real world ( and get mitigated at same time by DDR5 extra channels and larger L3 cache ).
 
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